Direct Link to Jesus besides Catholics?

Do any Christian Denominations claim to have a direct, historically verifiable link back to the Apostles and Jesus through their leadership?

I'm assuming the Catholics (which includes the Orthodox groups) do and can show some evidence to support this.

I'm wondering if any other denominations make such bold claims or can show evidence. I'd love to hear it.

If not, ANY proof linking their religion historically to the 1st century or so, will do.

Thanks



BONUS: If not, isn't this a slight credibility hit, because where's their consistency to prove they are right?
What are the implications of this?

2009-09-10T16:17:05Z

<<Silly Salamander>> I didn't say they are Roman Catholic.. simply "Catholic" Actually they are different RITES of the same religion. Roman Catholic being the Latin rite. The various Orthodoxies being their own Rites.

Think of them as separate states within a country. The actual term is "prefecture" They still recognize the primacy of Peter and that they separated from the Latin Rite of the church, which came first. They are headed by Patriarchs which has a valid link back to the Apostles. SO, they are STILL considered under the "Catholic" embrella, not Roman Catholic.. but Catholic.

Shalom!

2009-09-10T16:21:08Z

<<Susanna>> So that would be a NO from you.. K, got it.

HAHAHAA... we all have a direct link.. WOW! what arrogance, SO, Susanna, What happens when MY direct Link to Jesus tells me something different then YOUR direct link? Then what sweety? Who's RIGHT in that case.. 'cause we ALL have direct links..right?
Guess we're ALL Popes, all Infallible if we have direct links to Jesus.

HAHAHAHAH

God Bless!

2009-09-10T16:23:27Z

<<Dear Dogma>> YEPPERS, just curious what type of answers I'd draw out of the wood work. So far Susanna's is the typical one I'd expect.. some 'mystical' link to Jesus that skips OVER history entirely.

Thanks for your answer though.

2009-09-10T16:28:39Z

<<ELMO>> You skip from Acts to simply throwing dirt at the Catholic church for changing something? That doesn't answer the question. Seems like you could have just said "NO" and been done with it.

HAHAHAHA

Shalom!

2009-09-10T16:32:00Z

<<Pryat Rum>> So early Christians simply READ their bibles -- but WAIT.. historically the bible didn't exist 'til around 397AD, it was hand written and cost $10,000 or more in today's money. MOST people were illiterate, so HOW exactly did early Christians all follow and discern the bible?
I realize the bible existed in fagments before it was assembled..but how many owned them and could read them?

WOW! talk about re-vising and reinventing history to suit your beliefs.

AMAZING! I enjoyed reading your fictional answer.

2009-09-10T16:33:14Z

<<Truthreigns>> You'd get 10pts if you can show me HOW, some links which explain the historic tie.

Dear Dogma2009-09-10T16:20:51Z

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Just like there are "small c Catholics" that recite the creed but reject the Catechism, there are "small a Apostolics" (usually Landmark baptists) that try to gain legitimacy by claiming a mysterious link to "the church in the book of acts" (a link which of course is historically and logically illegitimate, seeing as they are in fact part of a "reformed" movement.)

But you already knew that right John.... ;)

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lyn11362009-09-11T14:27:43Z

No. There is none.

It has to be found in the evidentiary Patristic record. That is, in the
sermons of the Apostles (the scriptural writings and letters to their
flocks) in the Apostolic Early Fathers who were taught by the Apostles
who further explained the Doctrine of Christ), or, if any of that escaped
notice, then in the Decrees or Decretals of the Early Fathers which
elaborate and coordinate the teachings of the entire body of Apostolic
Fathers on doctrinal teachings.

If there were any such teachings claiming that those outside the Church,
such as Arians, or that "even an Angel" received direct commission
from Christ to teach against the Doctrines He gave to the Apostles, it
would be, or have been found prior to the events of collecting the Letters
and Decrees, scriptures and notes from the Apostles and verified by
their successors, the Early Fathers.

But there were none. We, therefore, joyously observe and are obedient
to the Doctrine of Christ held in the Holy (Whole) Roman Catholic Church
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth Outside of Which There is No Salvation.
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

This is a de fide (de rigeur) teaching of the Church. It excludes the
"catholic" Conciliars of Vatican II who no longer hold ALL the doctrines
of the Roman Catholic Church; and in defiance of the de rigeur teaching
of the Encyclical Pascendi of Pope St. Pius X the Conciliars have
abandoned numerous such doctrines. Let no one say that schismatic
deniers of doctrine are part of the True Church.

They are not.

traditionalmass.org
gerrymatatics.org
huttongibson.org.

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Savaya2009-09-10T16:38:57Z

Well, for one, Jesus did not pay the homage or adoration to His Mother that the Catholics do, Jesus never said to ask dead people to pray for them, nor did the apostles. They kept the 7th day Sabbath, Jesus never said in scripture, not even hinted once, Now that I have resurrected, this is the Sabbath, You can throw the 4th commandment out because well My Father is outdated. There was no stipulation on partaking in the breaking of the bread in remembrance of His death. Just "Do this in remembrance of Me" or go to anything other than accepting Jesus as Savior and Son of God to receive The Holy Spirit and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.Jesus and the Apostles never celebrated Easter and Christmas, or any other man made holy days, Jesus and the Apostles never celebrated His birthday ever. Jesus and His Apostles kept The Lords Feasts, Catholics never did.No Easter is not Passover! The catholics baptize babies at birth, Jesus was baptized when He was 30 years old, and The Apostles baptized adults. No where in scripture do you see the Apostles listening to another man's sins and telling them now they are forgiven.
So, if the Catholic church truly was a verifiable link to Peter and Jesus, then why have they thrown so much of the True religion out the door and stuffed it with paganism and their own stuff ?

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Angel SA2009-09-10T20:54:58Z

I'm not sure what you are asking but the only direct link any Christian has to Jesus and the Apostles through their leadership is the Communion of the breaking of the bread and drinking from the blessing cup. When one takes Communion with the Holy Spirit one partakes directly with Jesus Christ as Our Lord and Savior. Jesus directed His Apostles to do this ritual in remembrance of Him and the Holy Spirit.
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16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

The Holy Bible : King James Version. electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version. Bellingham WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995, S. 1 Co 10:16

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

The Holy Bible : King James Version. electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version. Bellingham WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995, S. Jn 6:51

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Snowflake2009-09-10T16:34:14Z

Funnily enough - I just read a book about mormonism ...and they think they got in there first!

They base this on something that's supposed to occur at the 'end times' according to the bible called the 'apostasy' where everyone will leave the church.

They claim it happened in the very early church and that the RC's broke away from the Mormons. Yeah. Doesn't sound plausible to me!

There's no evidence for it at all; no documents that suggest; no biblical or historical or archaeological evidence for it. But that's what mormons believe...and they believe it because Joseph Smith told them so!

(You may notice I'm a little angry about it...it's because my friend's a mormon and when I read stuff like that, I feel angry to think she's being mislead.)

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