I am just trying to understand how people that are believers are unable to look objectively at some of the negative stuff God.
Please don't give me justifications, cop outs, or the "God's magnificent plan" argument. I want a real answer.
marsel_duchamp
Most people cannot take an objective look at their own fantasy until they give up the fantasy. You are asking for something that very few can accomplish. The objective perspective usually destroys the fantasy.
I have only heard a few believers answer this honestly and that was with "I don't know".
Djb
what makes you think we don't .
You seem to think that we humans can out think god as you don't want any answers that state we humans don't understand gods plan. Man has done many thing in the name of God that we perceive as evil but that is man not God doing those things .
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Since you reject any justification...
it seems apparent that what you mean by "take an objective look at God's works" is "agree with my opinion regarding God's works".
If your "objective look" is, indeed, objective and not subjective, just lay it out. Lay out the objective analysis and allow Christians to respond. If it is, indeed, objective, no reasonable response should be possible. You should easily persuade most of us to agree with you with such an objective look on display.
motivational_raven
By 'unable to look objectively' I assume you to mean 'not blindly think like I do'.
Why don't you post one or two of these 'negative stuff God', as you put it, since I cannot think of anything negative to reply to.
macattakk2000
objective would mean to assess them with what sort of lens. If the principal of blessing for good and retribution for evil is God given than perhaps you are the one who is not looking at things objectively but putting your own flawed value system over the events in the scriptures. You may have many right ideals and be a good person but putting yourself of judge over God is a big undertaking. The scriptures have a lot to say about the greatest time of judgment and God's hand in the affairs of man at the end of the age called the tribulation and we see a very specific scenario for equally specific reasons that brings this time of sorrow and grief upon the earth. I do not know if you are saying god must not exist because you judge him evil or that God is evil.
The events related to the tribulation go a long way back as the death of Messiah was to come before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and then the entire nation was to be scattered into all the rest of the world. This is spoken of by many prophets including Moses. Israel is spoken to be regathered as a nation and Jerusalem at the center of global conflict and the target of severe wars. Israel went from 70 Ad to 1948 without being a nation. They are there. The other aspects include the rebuilding of the temple and the return of animal sacrifices and the outer courts of the temple are promised to be given to the Gentiles. Well the temple institute has replicated everything necessary to resume the sacrifices and they have trained priest ready and plans and the budget to built the temple. This also coincides with a one world government or world order as the politicians keep talking about. If you know nothing about UN agenda 21 and the IMF becoming a global central bank you might look into it as the world is one major financial crisis from becoming a total collapse on a world level. This will lead to the rising of the Phoenix out of the ashes and the NWO order coming in.
Also there is a global world religion and very much like the Masons all paths will merge under a social gospel of coexist, tolerance, peace, safety, equality, and what have you. Those who teach repentance from sin and believe the scriptures will be seeing this as the rise of the kingdom of anti christ and will be persecuted. Anyways my point is these plagues are coming and for the very reasons God says He brings retribution in the 1st place. His goal is that some will repent and after the earth is destroyed from departing from God Jesus returns and brings world peace, equity and justice and heals the earth. All the hollow promises man tried to achieve apart from God are brought in by Jesus as king of kings.
These events are so clearly forming now that you may have a 1st hand chance to look at Gods work is you can survive the 1st act. I know Gods mercy and grace and love and see it is freely offered to all. What I deserve Christ took for me and offers me peace with God through his eternal spirit. This is offered to you a sinner deserving nothing and you would accuse God of being severe when you has reached into time and put forth Jesus as salvation to any no matter what they have done the grace of God can overcome it. The message is to repent from evil and love God. This is not a complex message and not an offensive one. The bad stuff happens do to sin.