What About the Trinity?

You have asked a very sensible question. Unfortunately the answer is too long to post here.

Jesus was the first one (or entity of any kind) created by God. JEsus was then used by God as his agent in creating all things Colossians 1 says

"15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exist,"

Some one else has quoted a lot of texts to try to prove the trinity all of them can be asnswered in context to show that the trinity is not a scriptual teaching.

Jesus is the son of God, no part of a trinity of any sort.

The Holy Gohst is Gods Spirit (the word spirit means "a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze)

Jesus is NOT to be worshiped in a religous sense, but he is to be shown due honor for who he is. Only his Father and His God (John 20:18 in the Catholic Douay Bible says "17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me: for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and to your God.") is to be worshiped in a regous sense.

There are 6 different Greek words in the Bible rendered as worship into English. The word where Jesus is said to be worshiped literaly means "to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand" so it means to "prostrate oneself in homage"

The roll of Jesus was to reconcile mankind back to God, so yes he pointed the way to God but is not God

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Having doubts about a doctrine, any doctrine, does not automatically equate to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The Greek term for blasphemy basically means injurious, defamatory, or abusive speech. But it also includes the act of claiming the attributes or prerogatives of God, or ascribing these to another person or thing.

If you are having doubts or questions, then you should by all means do a thorough research on the doctrine using the Bible as well as perhaps bible encyclopedias. It may seem a difficult task but it really isn't.

St. Patrick told my folks the evil gaels that the clover shows the simplest explanation God is a unit one thing with three parts ,,but listen ,,God needs man for fellowship and so he became flesh to return to us the hope of eternal life and the spirit of God is now here on earth finishing the times out as intercessor for our souls and so each part of God is necessary to the plan and we pray in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost ,,, good luck its something pretty weak to worry about really ,,just love God and thy Neighbors and do the best you can and let GoD be God and you be the best you ,,you can be AMEN

Answering from a viewpoint outside of catholicism, I would say that Jesus was indeed pointing the way (I understand it as "I am the son of god, and so are you...").

Of course, with so many years and interpretations since the original episode, there are always some explanations that get promoted and accepted over others.

Every philosophical issue has given birth to religious thought. And every religion has its dogmas. I personally find that christianity is the result of some faulty logical reasonings (mind you, I respect everyone's way of reaching for and understanding the unexplained).

Good luck!

I am also Roman Catholic and have come to doubt some of the religious teachings of the church. I don't believe in the trinity. I believe in God the father, his son Jesus Christ. The Holy Ghost is representation of the holy spirit of God and I do not believe the Holy Ghost is a third person of the Trinity. This is my opinion. As to "the Word" equating to Christ...Christ was the Word of his Father and when he was on earth taught the Word of his FAther.

I have answered this question before....

First of all let's go back to the beginning...hopefully you have your bible ready....

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The image of God in us is not the same as the likeness of God in us...

The image of God is the fact that He is a triune God ..but ...1 God...

If you look in a mirror how many do you see...1

yet it takes 3 to make you up

Your body, soul and spirit..again all you see and people see is one of you ..that is the image of God in you...

the likenesses of God are his characteristics in us...

He is sovereign .he made us sovereign people.

He has dominion and power..he gave us dominion and power

He gave us procreative power ..like he is a creative power..

get the picture...

In John 1:1 you need to also referance another verse found in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

To understand Christ as the son of God and the son of man..He is God in the flesh...He is both God and man. One of the greatest things to remember what Jesus came to do for man is..He came to be a perfect example to man. So there are times it seems he is addressing the Father as a seperate being and that is because He is showing us the better example. There is an Order and Jesus had to show us this order which is the Father is above all. Jesus was manifest in the flesh ..and He also sent back to the christians believers the Holy Ghost which is also called the comforter.

They all have their roles seperately ..but they are all God...not seperate entities just separate function..

In order to completely understand John 1:1 you also need to continue reading down to the 14th verse..

God bless

I think for some reason you are up against a major shake up of your belief/religion. Much depends on whats your new discovery that makes you move away, have you found new revelation, evidence, conviction or understanding. Its either you beleive in the TRINITY or you dont, peoples answers here will not help you much.

Christianity is following Christ, and if you are not convinced on cetain aspects you could seek help and clarification for example with nondenomitional christians. You need to know for yourself where you stand. Its a good starting point as the asnwers to your question roll in, but most times people will not be that much helpfull.

You sure have a lot of conditions that you want to set on how you are answered. Does that mean that you already have your mind made up and you only want people to give you some affirmation of your own thoughts.

You don't know how the Word can be equated with Christ? It's simple if you read just a little further.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

You want my thoughts? My thoughts are that you are too lazy to prayerfully read the Bible yourself and too proud to call out to God and ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate the truths contained therein, but would rather just wallow in your own shallow understanding and seek to have people sign off on it for you.

the best way the trinity was explained to me was that the Trinity is actually 3 seperate people or things.jesus is jesus. god is god. the spirit is the spirit. the concept of the trinity (3 in 1)is merely one of the only way that human mind's can understand the sheer power and ability of god to manifest himself...there's a lot more but it gets kinda confusing

ONE GOD ONE ENTITY

( Do you trust God’s Word or mans’? )

Isa.43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. Isa.43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour. Isa.43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Isa.44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God.

Rev.1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isa.44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside Me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa.45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isa.45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside Me. Isa.45:22 Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa.46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, Isa.46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt.1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John.1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Eph.4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

I John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom are all things, and we by Him.