Are those Christian scientists not 'real Christians'?

Good question Markyyy!!! WOW!

I have listened to some interviews and spoken with a numbert of individuals in different areas of the sciences over the years( a friend is a Hindu/Buddhist researcher) and I would say it has to be looked at on an individual basis. Like the left and right in political science, there are always those that are left to right of centre or in the middle. It's not so different.

A Creationist 'museum' opened here in Alberta this week. My poor father, if he were not cremated, would be roling over in his grave tight now! He was an Alberta boy and a past president of the Canadian Museums Association for which he put in tireless years of work because he believed so strongly that it was a national trust for his country and all people. He was a passionate nationalist!

I saw the news cast on this thing. I was devatstated.They have the expertise to mimic a real museum all right.

Here in Canada, we have different rankings for museums. This one fortunatly would fall into the small locally run category. They are required to meet cerwain standards at each level. Hate litterature is against the law here by the way!

It is a small building not too far from the world famous Royal Tyrell Museum. Have a look at it on the internet!That place is a fantastic dino extravaganza! LOL! This was a calculated tactical discission on someones part to place this Creationist newspeak here!

Working at this level, as long as there is no hate mongering, I believe they can get away with it. Also, I suspect, they get a lot of private funding. Their presentation look slick visually anyway.

In Canada, our history is suppossed to be protected by the Federal government. It has been a long and contreversial process in developing a museums policy that is as objective as possible striving to take museums into the future as something beyond subjective and biased institutions full of appropriated artifacts and promoters of our colonialist roots!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Christian right here...in my experience...still holds to this old way of thinking and refuses to become aware of the bigger peicture. They see the evolution of Canada as going the wrong way and they are being left behind and must maintain power. Its horrible! You can really fan the flaims here on this subject! A weakness to be sure!

This Creationist or faux museum as I doub it! looked like someone put up the big bucks even though it is small the interior looked polished. With this current federal government as with the Alberta government in the past, we are experienceing an errossion of these contemporary Canadian values. It also exploits new immegrants to our country and their beliefs.

In this faux museum, they are not denying the existance of the great dino's, they are messing with the time line...they say this all happened in the space of six thousand years. Insaine!!!!!!WHAT?!!!!!!!!!

They have left out 'centuries' of archialogical proof to the contrary. We have been here a lot longer than six thousand years people!!!!!Some fools here in Canada don't believe First Nations Peoples were here ten thousand years ago because they are Mormon. Regardless of what anyone thinks it is what First Nations people say about themselves in their 'Creation' stories that needs to be respected more than this nonsense...I digress. Nyway, it conflicts with Morman beliefs. That wipes out a lot of European...well face it! global history!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW NERVY HEY! These people are the same folks that believed the plenet was flat. Currious comprimise isn't it including the dino's this time instead of saying it is a fraud?

Markyyy and all Athiests here, I am not an Athiest, but I have a strong faith in critical thinking! So I support you guys. YOu are needed now more than ever!

Me, I have a different experience... the Divine. I don't feel in conflict with you most of the time. I believe in evolution as part of the sacred creativity of the universe. Through my experiences I believe that there are many realities in this existance. I remain respectfully in a staight of enquiry and curriosity.

Keep up the good work you guys...critical thinking, knowledge...keep your base strong!!!!!!! You are needed so very much.

Peace and awareness.

Jamie

PS An afterthought I hope is a useful comparrison...in womens studies and art history it is always important to look at the inherent bias of the riegning paradigm. In other words...so called experts cannot ever be completly objective either way. Where this becoimes intollerable is the suppression of information! Distortion is nbot that hard to accomplish if you leave out the facts or if you have views that belittle the information that you do have.

Science has come a long way. It has made abhorent mistakes but so have the major religions enacted great injustice and cruelty.

Science is self critical though. It is phylisophically bound in the role of relentless seeker. I love that, I have faith in that. I can relate to that!!!Any true seeker knows that when new information is uncovered everything has to be then measured and recontextualised against this new piece of the puzzle!

Dogmatic thinking cannot comprehend this. Hense the conflict. I don't believe that any Christian can truly be a valid scientist unless they at least reject the Creationist story. It is a story not a theory. Where as science works with theory and tests that theory critically, sometimes over and over again. Theory is never safe.These comparisons must be called to task ...relentlessly. Untill the difference is established in our understandings.

If Christians or Athiests treat Creationism as a theory it becomes an invalid argument. You see it as a given according to your faith or a story from a belief system...a part of a cultural religious mythology. I recognise that some Christians take it as symbolic. I would consider this reason to question ones paradigm.

Do you mean to say that most of us have no real idea what we are talking about? Sure. Why else do you think we are here and not in a laboratory standing over some experiment or something? Because we are not (most of us) educated enough to offer more than our pseudo-science babble. Sorry to disappoint you. Perhaps if that is really the case for you, you should seek sources of higher more perfect understanding and not come here and put us down for being the idiots some of us are. I mean, there are very few times in my life where I haven't been a moron and a total imbecile. Come on. Why lower your standards to discuss with us? And don't revile yourself. I have a sixth grade education and have not to this day ever passed a GED. So there!

What is a real Christian? I have never met one yet if it is what I think it is.

A real Christian to me is a person who claims/professes that Jesus was the most perfect person and was God himself on earth without one fault or sin.

That pill is a little hard to follow for most of us.

And then there are the rules to live by. Who is perfect in those? And if there was such a person who was perfect at it, they would represent that part of God better than Jesus did, right?

I mean Jesus was mean at times and continued spiritual terrorization of the masses about eternal damnation. I mean that is a wonderful concept to gather round isn't it?

The idea that somehow we came from One all knowing ever present God that created us and then that we could do something against this God's will has always escaped my understanding! If God knows it all, then aren't we just doing what God wanted us to in the first place?

Go figure?

Evil to me is being uncivil to others as in breaking the commandments and not helping to heal everyone the best we know how! Forgiveness is the sharing of that philosophy.

As I am a part of all that is,God, or evolution/creation(one in the same for me)?

Thanks for asking. When God distinguishes His people from those who are not His people, He's looking exclusively at how they've responded to His Son's gift of forgiveness, love, and life. If they've rejected that gift, then they're rejected by God. However, there are certain necessary presuppositions one must agree to in order to accept this gift. Among them are, for example, that God exists in the first place, that Jesus is His Son, and that Jesus' death on the cross pays the price of the sin of people who trust Jesus as their Savior. With regards to this first presupposition, anyone who claims to be a Christian but also claims that God doesn't exist, this person is incorrect on both accounts. However, some people who believed the teachings of Darwinists before they became Christians and are slowly working through the data might temporarily put forth the compromise view of "theistic evolution" (that God created the universe over a long period of time using the process many now call "evolution" to bring things into being). While fellow Christians would naturally be disappointed in such a compromise, I believe they'd at least recognize the sincerity in the person's faith. In the final analysis, it's God who judges who is His and who is not. God calls us to discern such things sometimes, but he never calls us to judge one another as if our opinion of someone's faith actually had a real impact on God's future judgment.

I think they are pacifists trying kiss up to atheists.

It goes against Christian doctrine.

If macro-evolution were true, don't you think it would state evolution in the bible?

What is the difference between create and evolve?

Create means to bring into existence, while evolve means to develop by a process of evolution to a different adaptive state or condition:

Now it states in Genesis 6:7 :

So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

Where does evolve fit in with create?????

I think you would have more respect for someone like me who stands by his principles when the chips are down versus a christian who falls for anything.

God Bless

Do they profess to follow the teachings of Jesus? Then YES, they are Christians. That's the only requirement.

And there are plenty of Christians that support evolution. Because there is no contradiction unless you take a literal interpretation of Genesis, which you aren't meant to do.

I agree that scientists should not use their scientific findings in order to push personal religious, political, or social beliefs. However, it's far more likely to find so-called scientists pushing Christian beliefs, such as creationism, in the guise of science.

They are Christians, they have a scientific view of God and the Church. I am not a personal believer of this view, but I respect their choice. I don't think the bible was made out of iron (maybe stone) but it is interpretation that is important. If we all share the one belief, then it is just pragmatism and doctrine which makes the difference.

looks like some Christians can think for them selves.

Where/who is your source of this 10%

I like the " 'real Christians' " part - nice touch real open minded

See.... Christians enjoy the benefits of Science

and we have an appreciation for God and we are

saved through Jesus and if you research hard enough

There are facts in the bible that become evident that

God exists, but it is quite a dive into it that you'd have

to be willing to take