Serious Theological Question?

god is infinity, therefore has always been, we as mere humans cannot understand the true meaning of infinity.

I am with you on this but when i questioned my RE teacher many years ago that was his answer.

i think the saying goes " if you can't wow then with science, then baffle them with bull***t"

If anyone can give you the answer on where did God originated from. Surely the next questions will never end as to finding where the parents of God came from and so on and so forth. Being an unbeliever yourself, none of us will be here to satisfy your quest for the concrete answer. One has to have faith and that is something that which you may lack since probably you have not experienced yet to believe in something intangible. So it can be a waste of your time if you expect us to present Him to you.

If you want to find God, believe first in order for you to have faith and you will have the faith to believe. Sounds puzzling or idiotic of me?

If you can fathom that there HE is in the nothingness, then you may understand where HE came from. As you exist, so HE exists and if you are not there nor anywhere, then HE is also not there nor anywhere. Only when one thing exists thus the recognition or acknowledgement of the creator happens. At the same time that God created mankind was also the time that man realized His existence. HE is not a static being but a dynamic becoming.

What is the big deal here?

Does the universe go on forever? Or does it have boundaries? And if it does, what's beyond those boundaries?

If the mind is incapable of comprehending infinite realities it is just a fact of life.

You may have the same kind of problems trying to teach calculus to 5 year olds.

You have to deal with what you know. We live from what we know and if from that our knowledge increases, fine. If not we still have to live from what we know.

Even in human affairs you can still get to know someone even if you don't know exactly how old they are or exactly where they are from. Sometimes that helps because you relate to them on the basis of what they reveal to you and what you observe and notice, rather than some stereotype which may well misinform you.

So it is with God. Why should it be any different?

You cannot know Him except He reveal Himself to you.

Notice it is He who reveals Himself, not men who tell you what they think they know.

If you do not want to know, or if you are not looking/seeking, or if you are filled up with some stereotype or other, or some prejudice, then how will you get to know Him?

It is only a suggestion but why don't you carefully examine the Resurrection and the reasons for His death?

No one has been able to come up with a satisfactory denial.

Also, it was accurately written about - prophecied - and taught right from the beginning, not just the event but the reasons why and its necessity. In this the goodness and love of God and His faithfulness is shown.

As you do this you will be able to learn something of God.

Ultimately, of course, you cannot really know someone without actually relating to them - so why not ask Him to reveal Himself to you and show you the truth? What have you to lose? And what have you to gain?

Don't let pride hinder you, as it would also in any human relationship.

Remember the 5 year old doesn't understand many things but it is still able to trust and know his father. He doesn't say, oh, that's not really my father, just some higher force looking after me and doing things I don't understand!

And if he were blind, he wouldn't be able to see his father, which might change the way he relates a little. He would be a little more dependent and to some extent it would be only practical to take some things on trust, but then his other senses would sharpen and he would still be able to relate to and know his dad.

Fare you well in your quest, the greatest and most rewarding one possible.

Is there anything that you personally believe to have always existed? I don't know like what, matter and anti-matter maybe? Molecules? For a 5 year old, gravity! For me, God is like that. God is/was/ever will be the constant in existance, at least in this categorical universe that I've found myself in.

In a very broad sense of things, reality as I know it has two "levels" - the categorical (that which we experience, can measure, is limitted by space and time) and the transcendent (that which is beyond the categorical, where God and heaven and hell and all that is.) Right now I can try to grasp the transcendant, but it's like trying to hold water in a collendar. So I can't say for sure what I think is on the other side, but as I see things right now, God is the one constant in this categorical reality.

God did not "pop into existence." He has always been. He created time and He exists outside of time. That is hard for our finite, limited minds to comprehend. He is infinite and without any sort of limitation. The only time He had any limits was when He emptied Himself and became a man. When He came to earth as Jesus, and was born from a literal virgin, He limited Himself. I do not pretend to completely understand that, but I do believe it. I do not completely understand how a fuel injection engine works either, but I drive and I believe when I put the key in the ignition and turn it, the car will start. You don't have to start by having all the answers. But it is okay to ask some good questions. God is not intimidated by our questions.

Here is a surefire way to believe - albeit briefly.

Stare death in the face - Works every time. The downer is -it dont' last.

Look - it seem that the people most interested in religion ( on this site) are the non believers - always asking questions about hell, god, sin, lingerie (oops)

Belief is not a funny thing -its boring.

However, for those people who think you are damned - make them really angry - forgive them

Its not cool anymore to jeer believers - its not cool to say " personally do not believe in God" - who cares?

Would you think less of a man if he believes?

Lastly - you are on a quest? Dont they have ladies in your town - then go out and find them. Won't get much of the good stuff stuck on a crazy quest. Even the priests are getting some these days - and they dont seem to care who they do it with - by all accounts

Gospel According to Saint John

Chapter 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Psalm 90:2 describes God as being "from time indefinite to time indefinite." Personally, and I hope this is a serious theological question and you are not simply asking with no intention of taking any of the answrs on board, I do not see what is difficult with God not having a beginning.

To be honest, I haven't heard one shred of proof to disprove the existence of God.

OK, I know this answer won't satisfy you. But the truth is, we don't know. God is. That's all. God is, and was, and will be.

How can we accept this answer? Well because God as our Creator is "other than" his creation. Just as you yourself are other than anything you make. Your creation, if it were sentient, would never be able to fully know or understand you in all your fullness, detail and wonder, because you lived a long time before it was made, and probably will a long time after. It, compared to you, would be finite. And you, compared to it, would be infinite.

Apples and oranges, I know, but that's the best I can do with the tools I have at hand.

Richard Bach said it best: "God is, and that's all it needs to be."

Interestingly enough, there is an answer as to where Yahweh came from.

Only Jews versed in Kabbalah, or at least someone versed in Kabbalah, could tell you though. Christians and Muslims seem to have forgotten.

No, Yahweh did not exist for all eternity, under Kabbalistic teaching.

In the beginning there was only Ayin, which is that nothingness so utterly void that to say 'it is nothing' is to define it and make it no longer Ayin.

It is deeply significant to say that G-D comes from Nothing.

Maybe we, as humans, can't grasp the concept of eternity... God, the God of the Bible, always existed, before time and matter. To exist outside of time is what enables God to refer to Himself as the I Am (the ever existing one... in eternity... all points of time at once, outside the boundaries of time). He didn't ever begin. He always was, and always will be. No-one created Him.

For us, existing in time, that is impossible to comprehend. It's what we believe, as Christians, to be true. I respect that you aren't a believer, and have your own view of everything. That's fine, I'm not going to try and convince you. I just thought I'd let you know what we believe.