Question about "messianic Jews"?

Your version of what Christians call the OT has been misinterpreted from the Talmud/Torah..

Any Jew who accepts Jesus as the Messiah is NOT Jewish but an apostate.One can't be both...Jesus did not fufill any of our prophesies,not one.. And our Moshiach will not be divine but a rightous human being who'll bring peace to the entire world needing no 2nd time around..

You've already had many good answers & it'd be a waste of energy to say more.

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answer: I've starred for my Jewish contacts.

As I understand it (and I may be wrong) - Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is the messiah and that he was divine. That's in contradiction to the Jewish religion. That makes them Christians.

Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies. He was supposedly of divine origin - the messiah won't be. G-d cannot become human. Jesus is presented as a human sacrifice, taking on the sins of everyone - that's against Jewish teachings. The Messiah will be human and fulfill all the prophecies in one life time - no second coming. There is no original sin to be saved from. No threat of hell.

See how Christianity is incompatible with Judaism?

You can't be Christian and Jewish at the same time.

And there is no Jewish bible. That's a Christian term. There is the Tanakh, not the Old Testament and no New Testament in Judaism.

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If someone doesn't believe Jesus was divine, then he was just a prophet and not the messiah. He didn't fulfill the prophecies. Christians justify worshipping him because they claim he'll return and fulfill the ones he didn't. If he was a prophet, he won't be back. That means he couldn't be the messiah - divine or not. He didn't fulfill the prophecies.

If someone believes Jesus was a prophet only, they'd more likely be a Muslim.

Jews don't believe he was a prophet either. If they think of him at all it's usually as a teacher.

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Then I have a question: does your Jewish bible have the New Testament?

No. They can't.

I think people seem to be missing a key point: there is an OBJECTIVE definition of the word 'Jewish'.

It means: a person born to a Jewish mother OR a person who converts to Judaism.

In addition, there are OBJECTIVE Jewish beliefs that also DEFINE Judaism, and following Christ in ANY capacity VIOLATES TORAH, VIOLATES CORE JEWISH BELIEF.

I can declare myself a Cherokee Indian - does that mean I am one?

I can follow a few of their rituals, and change others - does that mean I am an authentic Cherokee Indian?

NO!

Messianics are not Jewish. They are the ones responsible for CONVERTING MANY JEWS TO CHRISTIANITY.

HATACIANA

- what you say is INCORRECT and you know it.

Judaism is inherently messianic - all Jews await OUR TRUE MESSIAH.

The specific term 'messianic jew' = CHRISTIANS. Messianics themselves chose this absurd term. They are not Jewish, they were NEVER Jewish, and the tiny 1% of them that were born Jewish ARE NOW PRACTISING CHRISTIANITY AND THEREFORE - ARE - CHRISTIANS.

It isn't rocket science. I simply don't believe that so many people are getting confused over this.

Human sacrifice to atone for sin is an abomination unto God in the Torah.

Anyone born to a Jewish mother who leaves Judaism to adopt beliefs that are forbidden to Jews in the Torah, places themself in a state of apostasy.

Not all Christians believe in the divnity of Jesus, that has been debated since before Nicea among the early sects. This is why there are passages in the New Testament that both affirm for them, that Jesus was god in human form and others that refute it.

Jewish law alone determines Jewish identity.

When kings of Israel tried to introduce foreign deities to be worshipped, it was harshly criticized in the Torah. Tammuz worship is specifically mentioned in the Tanakh and has elements that are strikingly similar to Easter observance, with the death and resurrection of this man/god whose blood atoned for sin. In Ezekiel 8 the men were holding the first "sun rise service" and the women were in the temple lamenting or singing to Tammuz.

Jews had become apostate to the covenant of Israel THEN in the days of the Bible. If it was considered worthy for the prophets to condemn and for the Torah to condemn for Israel to do such things, it isn't going to become any more Jewish today to consider a man a deity or a form of sacrifice. From the time of Abraham, the fact that the Hebrews eschewed human sacrifice was one of the earliest and most distinct differences from those who surrounded them who practiced human sacrifice.

Worship of a Jew is never a Jewish thing to do.

Sacrifice of a human is never a Torah observant thing to do.

A Jew who believes in Christian dogma that a messiah is someone who has the function of a deity to pardon sin..is an apostate Jew who has separated themself from the covenant people Israel of his or her own free will. Period.

An apostate has the option to repent and return should they choose that path. Unless they do they are not considered as members of the covenant nation, Israel and according to Jewish law, may not be buried in a Jewish cemetery, be called to Torah or speak for the Jewish people. Teshuvah ( repentance and return) is up to them.

Judaism IS a messianic faith. The concept of messiah in the Christian doctrine ( New Testament) is simply incompatible with the Jewish religion.

Jews would be Christians because they recognise Jesus divinity as the son of God, the firstborn of all creation.

They would be worshipping the Creator, the Almighty God, Jehovah.

Isn't that what we find in the book of 'Acts' the Jews preaching that the messiah/ Christ had arrived and been raised form the dead? As their God Jehovah had promised?

That is who the message went to first the Jews. Gods chosen nation.

KJV preface will tell you God represents the name Jehovah,

Jesus the 2 most important laws, love Jehovah with whole heart, mind and soul, and love neighbour as self.

So if we go out killing people in the name of religion, can we still call ourselves Christians?

Dear Friend,

First of all, Christianity is not a religion. Religion's are man made. Christianity is a real..."personal relationship with the 'living' Person of Jesus Christ."

Second, the word Christian means: CHRIST-like. Therefore, a follower of Jesus Christ would demonstrate the characteristics of Jesus by their lifestyle.

And last of all... Jesus "is" God.

John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.”

Therefore, for Messianic Jews to accpet Jesus and not God... is impossible. You can't have one without the other. It is like trying to divide up the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are "three"..."in" One.

Illustration: The Trinity is like a chicken egg. It has three parts; the shell, the white and the yolk. They are three in one, but can be separate.

Some decisors of Jewish Law maintain that a Jew who mistaknely beleives in Jesus remains a Jew and can return without the need for conversion.

Others maintain that he has ceased being Jewish and must undergo conversion to be considered Jewish once again.

Now regarding Jews who ally themselves with ovdei avoda zara (paganism) and add "JPA" as part of their apellation here, Jewish Law dooes not look upon them favorably.

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Thank you Jimbob, I did not know that messianic Jews do not believe that Jesus is God. How could they miss such important fact I do agree with Chris that without knowing this you can't be saved. About the person who stated that the blood sacrifice is an abomination you do not know your Torah or your prophets very well; get to study because I have read some were in it that God was going to offer Himself for his people. The other one said that Jesus did not fulfill any prophecy he forgot to reed Isaiah 53 Psalm22:7, 8 {All those who see me laughed me to scorn; they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, "He trusted in the Lord, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!''} This is the very words they said to Him as He hung on the cross. Now this prophecy was written even before this form of execution ever existed. Also David Psalm22:14-18 shows that David predicted His suffering as it was written in the New Testament. Verse 14 {my strength has drained away like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart melts like wax; my strength has dried up like sun-baked clay; my tongue sticks to my mouth, for you have laid me in the dust of death. The enemy, this gang of evil men, circles me like a pack of dogs; they have pierced my hands and feet. I can count every bone in my body. See these men of evil gloat and stare; they divide my clothes among themselves by a toss of the dice. Isaiah 53:7-8 {He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He never said a word. He was brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He stood silent before the ones condemning Him. From prison and trial they led Him away to His death. But who among the people of that day realized it was their sins that He was dying for—that He was suffering their punishment? Also there is over a hundred prophecies that Yeshua has fulfilled. When their Messiah comes will he be able to do more miracles than what Yeshua did? Not so! Isaiah 49:6. {We--every one of us--have strayed away like sheep! We, who left God's paths to follow our own; Yet God, laid on him the guilt and sins of every one of us!} Isaiah 53:10-12. {But it was the Lord's good plan to bruise Him and fill Him with grief. However when His soul has been made an offering for sin, then He shall have a multitude of children, many heirs. He shall live again and God's program shall prosper in His hands. And when He sees all that is accomplished by the anguish of His soul, he shall be satisfied; and because of what He has experienced, my righteous Servant shall make many to be counted righteous before God, for He shall bear all their sins. Therefore I will give Him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because He has poured out His soul unto death. He was counted as a sinner, and He bore the sins of many, and He pled with God for sinners.} What will it take for the Jews to believe? Is Jesus God

Jesus was God almighty in human flesh, walking around on earth in the Person of Jesus Christ. Jesus said himself in Matthew 24:30 that the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Now lets look and see what {Revelation} 1:7-8 says. Keep in mind that this is Jesus talking. {verse 7- Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him, So shall it be! Amen. verse 8- I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was, and who is to come, The Almighty. Anna

>>I don't think that they would be considered christians because they wouldn't accept his divinity.>>

WHAT?????? The moshiach will NOT be divine. No Jew will ever worship a manmade god nor sanctify martyrdom!

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They are what they say they are. As mentioned in my previous answers to similar questions, the appearance of the Messiah was supposed to be the reformation of Judasim, not the birth of new religion.