Which branch of Christianity does not believe in Jesus as the messiah?

If they don't, then they have no business calling themselves Christians to begin with

A valiant effort :)

And just in case anyone out there still doesn't get it:

If Christians are going to insist that a Jew can worship Jesus and remain Jewish then by the SAME logic, a Christian can *deny* Jesus AND remain Christian.

You can't have it both ways. If the identity of the messiah is SO insignificant that you don't feel it violates Judaism to accept Jesus as messiah THEN same applies to Christianity: a Christian can worship ANYONE as messiah and remain Christian.

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EDIT TO CARL GEE ************************

I'm afraid your response is based on a big MISunderstanding of Judaism.

A person is Jewish if their mother is Jewish or they convert. They remain Jewish *unless* they join ANOTHER religion. It's irrelevant whether they were observant or not. Jewish religious law *alone* gets to define Jewish identity and beliefs.

Your wife chose, as is her right, to become a Christian. Simple as that. Neither she, nor you, get to unilaterally decide that from now on, worshipping Christ is a 'jewish' thing to do. It never was, it is not now, it never will be.

A Jew that becomes a Christian = a Christian.

Just as when a Christian converts to Judaism, they are a Jew.

Now, if you're going to try and say it's one rule for your faith, and another for ours, you will be a blatant hypocrite. Also, just to mention: the idea that a Jew stays Jewish regardless of all else, including changing faiths, is what HITLER tried to claim.

It was racist then - it is racist now. There is no such thing as 'jewish blood'. We are not a 'race'. A Jew who becomes a Christian = an EX Jew.

You don't have to like it. But you don't get to change it. Judaism - not you - defines Jewish identity.

I appreciate many of the answers and the way both questions were clarified. I find the Jewish religion very interesting and the Christian Bible to be useful as a guidebook for some people. I work with many religions each week as a nondenominational minister but claim no particular path. I personally have a mix of predominantly Native American/Celtic/ Germanic. Being as we are in support of US Military members that do not fit the organized major religions, we constantly need to expand our perspective and learn about others practices.

It may seem that I got off your subject but it was with purpose. The group I am one of the leadership of is at Ramstein Air Base, Germany.

In Germany there is a registration for taxes and one may register as Catholic, Protestant or a different path. It is common that the registration follows the families teachings. Even when a person no longer accepts or follows a belief, they are still considered to be one of the particular faiths until they re-registerr orescindnd their registration. Official recognition is that they are Christian if so registered even when they follow another or no path. This registration also has an effect when it comes to hospitals and a funeral service. Some of the services are somewhat controlled by the church in particular areas so the registration also is a nonreligious decision. I know of one Protestant woman that was told she needed to sign papers that her child would be registered a Catholic in order to be allowed to be born in the local hospital otherwise she could go to another hospital in which the closest was around 10-15 miles further away.

Another group that is recognised as Christian but through actions show that they do not follow the Christain teachings attend church for show (politically beneficial) but again they are officially recognised as Christian. We refer to them as "schein heilig" which may be translated to mean fake holiness.

They are the "Christians" by recognition but they are no more Christian than Odin or Isis was.

I do not find it correct to claim a belief and then misrepresent it and am thankful for those who I can find here that speak the truth. I am always open to learn and some who answered here are a blessing for me so I may understand and do my best to help my congergation also expand their understanding.

Thanks to all,

Tom

Excellent question, Marcus. I DO know that there are some who do not believe in G-d as a all-powering, all-seeing, etc. deity, but no Christian branch that I know of that does not believe in Christ (as one poster pointed out: CHRIST-ian).

Your follow-up point was also spot on; if a Jew decides to then follow Christ as a Messiah, they are no longer Jewish - they become an apostate. Rather amazing, IMHO, that some feel the need to swipe the concept of Judaism and then bend it to fit what they want.

In other questions too, the definition of Christian is bellief in Jesus as messiah.

So it should be much easier than it is to show Christians that belief in Jesus makes you a Christian, & not a Jew who's Christian. It's also basic morality that Jews have had their belongings taken from them, their countries they were living in, their lives...and now their very identity as a religion.

On Panda Bear possiblity he/she just left out a comma & meant Jews aren't Christians.

Being Jewish is a twofold phenomenon, including birth (a son of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and faith (a pupil of Moses). Some Jews are only born as such, and don't have the faith, don't study Moses' Tora. Some, even, become christian, like the apostles and lately, the former archbishop of Paris, J.M. Lustiger, born Jewish and converted to Catholicism in his youth. He always claimed his Jewishness, but it was totally void of meaning. Being born a Jew is not enough, just like being a Christian without believing in Jesus.

It wouldn't be Christian if it didn't believe that. So therefore it is not a branch. Even though I would agree with this branch if it did exist. Because thier are two messiahs in the Bible.

Islam?

If a man or woman is born of a Jewish mother, and a Jewish father, is that person automatically a Jew? Your answer, if you are truthful, is yes.

If that person never go to a synagog, never reads from Torah, never acknowledges his faith in any way. If that person lives a terrible, selfish, life, is he/she still a Jew? Again, if you are truthful, your answer is yes.

So with that in mind, religion aside, if a person is born a Jew, that person is a Jew for ever.

Now comes the tricky part. Again, religion aside, supposing that person has an experience, not related to religion or anything that implies, but rather, an encounter, with the Living, Risen, Jesus Christ. God reveals to that same person, the reality of Himself as the Messiah through the embodiment of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Let us then say that person refuses to deny the reality of his/her experience. They do not begin attending a Christian Church, they do not try to tell the world, they simply have had a profound revelation of enlightenment far and away more real than any "Religion or Religious" thing they have ever, to that time had. Is that person, just because he/she has added an aspect to his/her understanding of what is already self-evident, still a Jew. If your answer here is No, then you might want to check your own heart, mind and soul. If you believe No, this person is no longer a Jew, then you are saying, to blaspheme God, to lie, to cheat, to do all manor or evil, to perform perverse acts, all that is quite acceptable within the Jewish culture and within the Judaic faith. However, if a person finds God, through Jesus, the Only TRUE and RISEN Messiah, they are no longer Jewish. I thing your spirit is twisted, your mind is bent, and your relationship with Adonai is non-existent. You are caught in a lie and refuse to see the truth.

You have become reprobate in your thinking, and that is a very very dangerous state for any human being to dwell in.

Please do not take this wrong. I love my Jewish brothers and sisters, and have committed to protect and defend them even unto death if it be necessary. I just don't want you to muck up the truth. As bad as it sounds and as much as you hate to hear it, Jesus (Yesuah) is the Savior. He is the one true God, who came to free the world from sin.

He was rejected by his own, ridiculed, mocked, procecuted, persecuted, beaten, tortured, crucified, stabbed through the heart, and died. He was buried in the tomb of a wealthy man, and 3 days later, arose from the grave, walked amongst his followers for many days.

Then, in like manner, he arose from the earth in the witness of some 200 or more people, and ascended into heaven to regain and retain his authority, and dominion over man. From there He shall rule and reign for all eternity. He is God.

This is not religion my dear friends, this is the plain and simple truth.

That's not Christianity, man.