I know that considering a woman who is drunk a rape victim?

how do you think hook ups happen in bars? People go there specifically to get drunk. They begin a conversation, and one thing leads to another. Whether the man is too drunk to remember it or the woman is too drunk to remember it, they both made the decision to go out and get drunk at a place where they would be vulnerable for this situation.

If a woman (or a man) goes to a place thats entire purpose is to serve alcohol to the public, and willingly gets drunk, there is NOONE to blame but themselves for having sex with someone.

Being drunk and being drugged are too totally different things. If someone is drunk and has sex, they have made their own decision to lose their ability to make proper decisions. If they are drugged, and not just drunk, this would be considered rape and not just a bad decision.

by the way, there are plenty of women out there who would take advantage of having sex with a man because he is drunk. It is not a one-sided situation.

If a woman is drunk and consents to sex, I still hold her accountable. It's her responsibility to not get drunk in the first place. It's not exactly morally right to take advantage of a drunk woman, but she does still have some mental capacity.

If she drinks and wrecks a car and kills somebody, she's responsible. If she gets mad and shoots somebody while drunk, she's responsible. What's different here?

Now, if she's passed out, we have a completely different issue. That is clearly rape.

I've also noticed this never seems to work in reverse. In fact, many people still want to say men who are drinking are rapists. How does this work? Like this?

If she's drunk and he's sober, he raped her.

If he's drunk and she's sober, he raped her.

If both are drunk, he raped her.

That's what I'm getting from people.

Also, obviously, any guy who forces a girl to have sex under any circumstances is a rapist, whether she's drunk or sober.

And before you say I'm just defending myself or somebody else, I don't go around having sex with women, and most guys I know don't either. So don't throw that out at me.

Actually, people who say that drunk individuals committing other crimes do not get special treatment are vastly inaccurate. If you are drunk when you commit a crime, it isn't unusual for a lawyer to bring up the idea of intention (mens rea) in court. The individual may not get off compeletely, but the charge and penalty is often reduced. So, it's pretty equal as far as I'm concerned.

And, usually women who report these rapes in a situation where a man is drunk as well, the case is thrown out completely. So, no worries guys. However, in my experience (my bf used to live in a fraternity and now participates in fraternity life), I feel most of these situations are rape. Why? Because women are encouraged to drink beyond their capacity (men are as well, but it takes a little longer), and usually the men are considerably sober when they take a drunk woman upstairs. In fact, there was one incident that was never reported, where a girl was so drunk she had alcohol poisoning. One of the guys had sex with her and right after she peed all over his bed (this happens if the bladder is so full it is voided - which mean she was VERY sick). I was so disturbed by how all the guys were laughing a joking about this girl. This was a serious violation of human life...someone should have done the right thing and taken her to a hospital.

It depends on whether or not he is sober. If he's fully sober then yeah, he's definitely taking advantage of her (that goes both ways - if she's sober and he's not then she's taking advantage). But if both of them are drunk, even if he's less drunk, it isn't rape. It's two inebriated people having a fumble. Regretting it doesn't mean that anyone was raped! it just means you made a poor choice when you went along with it; make a better choice next time.

I have to say though, I really think it's silly for a woman to get herself so drunk that she can't consent. Why is she taking this risk? If you want to get that drunk you should do it at home or make sure you've got some friends with you who will stay sober so they can protect you. To do otherwise is really foolish. And that decision is up to her. She takes responsibility for that.

Let's pretend to be grown up for a second. Most of us here know what it's like to be intoxicated and though it loosens our inhibitions, we still know what we are doing. I've had sex while I was drunk plenty of times with women who were sober. I'm not going to question whether I was raped or taken advantage of because I knew very well what I was doing.

I've never heard of someone having sex with animals or changing sexualities just because they were drunk. You know why? Because they'd never do these things sober. I have no sympathy for anyone who drinks and then regrets the decisions they make because it takes accountability away from the person who cannot drink responsibly.

You are asking the question like its a guys responsibility to tell a girl she has had too much too drink.

Its as simple as this, a women is responsible on wether or not she drinks end of story. If women dont,t drink there will be no issues end of story. Do women need to drink? No

Getting drunk makes you do and say thing's that you probably would not do or say if you were sober. have you ever heard the phrase

"impared judgement?" I rest my case

Is this another situation where we never put 50% of a blame on possible rape victim?

Here's some facts that you might find surprising:

1. a lot of guys like to get laid.

2. a lot of women make it difficult to get laid without a relationship (sometimes because they really want a partner and other times simply so they aren't considered sleazy)

3. a lot of guys hate relationships because it limits how much they can get laid

4. alcohol releases inhibitions and makes many women more open to doing what they want immediately rather than worrying about the consequences

And the most important fact....

5. Women CHOOOSE to lose their inhibitions. They show their ID to prove to a bartender that they are old enough to understand the effects of alcohol and take responsibility for their actions upon intoxication. They are responsible for consenting to drunk sex just as they would be responsible in a court of law for boozing up and deciding to assault or steal from somebody. Can you imagine telling a judge that you couldn't really consent to beating up your neighbor in a drunken rage because you were too drunk to understand the consequences? If you don't want to make bad decisions, don't drink too much. Sheesh, grow up and have some accountability.

How on earth is a man supposed to know that a woman who has been drinking, but appears VERY coherent is too drunk to consent. If that woman flirts and makes out with a man all night and she says, "I want you to *do* me now", is he supposed to just magically know that she is really saying "I'm too incapacitated and for my own good you should reject my advances".

The law shouldn't be your babysitter women! That's not what it is there for. We can't go around crying rape because we feel guilty or embarrassed the next morning. It also shouldn't be used to get revenge, because we feel slighted.

Really people? Can no one be held accountable for their actions anymore?

If YOU can't control YOUR actions when you drink, maybe you should NOT be allowed to drink.

No, I do not. But,

So what reality does lie behind the campus rape industry? A booze-fueled hookup culture of one-night, or sometimes just partial-night, stands. Students in the sixties demanded that college administrators stop setting rules for fraternization. “We’re adults,” the students shouted. “We can manage our own lives. If we want to have members of the opposite sex in our rooms at any hour of the day or night, that’s our right.” The colleges meekly complied and opened a Pandora’s box of boorish, sluttish behavior that gets cruder each year. Do the boys, riding the testosterone wave, act thuggishly toward the girls? You bet! Do the girls try to match their insensitivity? Indisputably.

College girls drink themselves into near or actual oblivion before and during parties. That drinking is often goal-oriented, suggests University of Virginia graduate Karin Agness: it frees the drinker from responsibility and “provides an excuse for engaging in behavior that she ordinarily wouldn’t.” A Columbia University security official marvels at the scene at homecomings: “The women are ****-faced, saying, ‘Let’s get as drunk as we can,’ while the men are hovering over them.” As anticipated, the night can include a meaningless sexual encounter with a guy whom the girl may not even know. This less-than-romantic denouement produces the “roll and scream: you roll over the next morning so horrified at what you find next to you that you scream,” a Duke coed reports in Laura Sessions Stepp’s recent book Unhooked. To the extent that they’re remembered at all, these are the couplings that are occasionally transformed into “rape”—though far less often than the campus rape industry wishes.

The magazine Saturday Night: Untold Stories of Sexual Assault at Harvard, produced by Harvard’s Office of Sexual Assault Prevention and Response, provides a first-person account of such a coupling:

What can I tell you about being raped? Very little. I remember drinking with some girlfriends and then heading to a party in the house that some seniors were throwing. I’m told that I walked in and within 5 minutes was making out with one of the guys who lived there, who I’d talked to some in the dining hall but never really hung out with. I may have initiated it. I don’t remember arriving at the party; I dimly remember waking up at some point in the early morning in this guy’s room. I remember him walking me back to my room. I couldn’t have made it alone; I still had too much alcohol in my system to even stand up straight. I made myself vulnerable and even now it’s hard to think that someone here who I have talked and laughed with could be cold-hearted enough to take advantage of that vulnerability. I’d rather, sometimes, take half the blame than believe that a profound evil can exist in mankind. But it’s easy for me to say, that, of the two of us, I’m the only one who still has nightmares, found myself panicking and detaching during sex for many months afterwards, and spent more time looking into the abyss than any one person should.

The inequalities of the consequences of the night, the actions taken unintentionally or not, have changed the course of only one of our lives, irrevocably and profoundly.

Assuming she chose to drink and that both parties were drinking, why is it only the man's responsibility? Both judgements would be impaired, but only the guy is the blame?

If we're going to be an equal society, that means everyone takes responsibility for their own actions equally. That means if you go out and do something stupid and regret it you can't point the finger and cry rape.