Do you think this is fair.Why do you think that a adoption couple would be like this?

It's unbelievable to me that the courts would set up a situation like this, although I know it's certainly not the first time. It's ridiculous that the prospective adopters have kept your grandson inspite of his father's OBVIOUS desire (and legal fight) to keep HIS son.

Why do people always have sympathy for the feelings of adults who wish to adopt (still haven't legally adopted this child) yet they have NO COMPASSION AT ALL for a biological parent who never agreed to adoption and absolutely does not want to lose his/her child? I don't get that! My heart breaks for this father, his son & their family! It's horrifying to me that children can legally be stolen for no reason whatsoever (except for the profit of an adoption agency). If dad were a danger, he wouldn't have visitation.

Being a divorced mom who went through battles like this for several years, I can only guess that their reasons are similar to those of divorced parents. They fight for what is in their own best interest, giving no consideration to what's best for the child. Refusing or interfering with visitation is a selfish, self centered, greedy act. The courts should not tolerate it EVER.

To the person who wrote, "It's their child now" - actually he's not legally their child. His dad legally has visitation rights and most of all, the CHILD should have a right to see his dad!

RE: the statement that "If the custody agreement said they got the child back on the 26th...they still had the right to have the child back on the 26th." What about the father's right to have the child on the 19th? Shouldn't that have also been enforced? School for a 3 year old is preschool. Spending time with family is more important than a few extra days in glorified day care! What hog wash!

I'm so sorry that this still hasn't been resolved and your grandson has not yet been returned to his true family! This case isn't really about adoption as much as it is about stealing someone else's child under the pretense of an attempted illegal adoption. The prospective adopters violated court orders in the past, using the fact they're in a different state to their own, personal advantage. They have no ethics.

These people don't deserve to be parents! They aren't interested in what's in this child's best interest, but rather only what they want. The height of narcissistic behavior!

So you’re saying that your grandson’s “adoptive parents” drove to Denver to pick him up when the flight was delayed. I’m not sure I would have driven the 8 hours just to retrieve when he was coming home anyways. Missing a few days of pre-school is not going to make a big deal,he could even take any work he needed to do if he had homework of any kind.

I find this arrangement to be quite crazy. I believe birthdadinhell has a similar situation where courts don’t terminated the biological fathers rights but they give custody of the child to the parents that were looking to adopted the child and make them the child’s primary caretakers. Plan crazy if you ask me they need to either award custody to the natural father or terminated the natural fathers rights.

This all seems so hectic now and will only become more obvious as the child gets older and has to live this very strange arrangement.

If your grandson is 3, why is Christmas break an issue? Three year olds don't go to regular school and pulling a child out of preschool shouldn't be an issue. (Or was the holiday break a conflict for your son or ?)

So your son was supposed to have seven days with his child and he only had three? That's just wrong.

I'm a little confused about the Denver and driving part of your question, but it sounds to me as though the couple tried their best to limit the visit.

If I truly thought the couple was putting obstacles in the way to court-ordered visitation then yes, I would take them back to court.

They are sabotaging your son's efforts....this happens a lot in the Child Welfare/Foster Parent/Reunification Arena. I don't know your son's story but I would say they are sabotaging......

Your son needs to document this and when/if he goes back to court this needs to be brought out then.

ETA:

What is also entirely ridiculous is the courts being chicken

sh*t in making a decision. this should be open and shut...so by the court dragging it out makes me think they know how they need to rule...(in the dad's favor) but are too chicken to do it....either that, they are in favor of the a/parents and for some reason they will not rule.

Like I said, I don't know the entire story but I totally know this crap happens.....courts get tunnel vision. I wonder if it is nearing the time for the judge to be re elected?? If so....judges will not make a controversial decsion around election time. Seen that before.

Also, there have been so many docuemnted cases where this sort of thing happens and the child winds up staying with the "other" family so long then the judge has a tool to use by saying, "well, Little Johnny has already been in this home for soooo long, uprooting him now is contradictive to his best interests.....blah blah blah" and then they rule in the other family's favor.

I am sorry this has heappened....there are so many children out there who are really in need of parents and this family is in so deep they fail to see what is right....sad!!

i was adopted myself at the age of one and id do anything to stay with my dad but his rights were terminated my mum set me up for adoption the minute she knew i was coming along the last time i saw my dad was the age of five before the judge decided i had been living with my adoptive parents for to long to be taken away i resent them for not letting me see my dad and i keep secret contact with him but i can not see him and my 5 older brothers and sister i miss them so much i tried to run away and see them once but my eldest brother stopped me for my father would get charged with kidnap if they went to court once i am 18 i am going to get readopted by my father and file charges against my adoptive parents any i can the hardest thing for me was knowing that my real daddy is out there and loves me and wants me but i am powerless i really feel for the little girl my brothers an sisters miss there baby sister (me) and i miss them so much so i can understand the pain she may be feeling when the child get older he will suffer unimaginable agony i hope u get your way and don't have to go down my route i really feel for u and at the age of 15 i have suffered ten years of immense pain and know that my dad does to and i try and give my adoptive parents that same feeling of pain and suffering by constantly telling them i hate them they have three kids of there own who at the time the youngest was 9 the oldest was 17 and they begged them to let me go i love these people and there are like siblings to me and the oldest now all of them have emancipated themselves from there parents but still come and see me so keep fighting for whats yours and i hope justice is served correctly for once

Sounds to me they wre just trying to stick with the custody agreement.The kid is three years old, when Christmas break starts shouldnt have been an issue. If the arrangement was for the 19th, he should have been with his father on the 19th. Am i right in assuming they(the people who have custody) were responsible for getting him there by the 19th? Why do these people have your grandson if there was no adoption?

Rita is absolutely right. They are trying to drag this out as long as possible in hopes that your son will give up or the courts will favor them.

Paps like that make me sick and I can't believe anyone would try and defend what they are doing. I say screw their feelings....adoption is not about them and their wants/desires.

The child has a father who wants to raise him.....the baby isn't an orphan.......adoption isn't necessary......end of story.

When your son gets his child back....make sure he sue's the Paps.

Take their sorry a$$e$ to court. Make them pay through the nose. I have read about how your son was screwed by these people and the agency.

They acted that way they did because they are jerks. They have clearly demonstrated that over and over. I am sorry that your grandson has to be around these scumbags.

They cannot legally deny him visitation. Next time, on visitation day, he should go to the city where these people live. If they refuse to give him the child, file a police report. This is called "interference with child custody" and is a crime. Make sure to bring his court order showing the visitation provisions and show to the police when he files a report, or they won't write the police report up for this particular crime.

No, it's not fair. They're like this because they're selfish, self-absorbed, and used to getting their way. They think they bought themselves a new toy and now they have to share. I'm guessing that wasn't one of the lessons covered in their kindergarten classes. Right along with "don't take others' toys".

Document EVERYTHING. Keep talking to your lawyer, every time this happens. I agree with the police report thing, too. Keep a paper trail of everything that happens.