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Is the idea of man-made global warming the next new religion?
There's no solid data to prove anything, and it's impossible to get accurate readings of the temperature thousands of years ago.
So, this whole "man-made" global warming (or climate change, whatever) is basically a faith.
It's great that people are going green and all, but scientists haven't reached the consensus the media would have people believe.
Can those who say they believe in man-made global warming really say that they've thoroughly researched both sides? When I believed in it, I didn't look at the other side at all.
"Two words: scientific. consensus."
Four words: So. Says. The. Media.
I was talking to two professors who said they went to a convention about this sort of thing, and that everyone was fighting about it. Reporters who tried to talk about the other side of the debate got fired.
"Whether or not it's real, what's the harm in going green?"
Hello, did you even READ my details? I said the "going green" thing was great. I've got a pretty low carbon footprint. But man-made global warming is still a lie.
"How bout the fact that temperatures have INCREASED fourfold over historical temperature increases..."
Considering we had the coldest/snowiest winter in ten years...
Another thing they mentioned: CO2 doesn't affect temperature. Temperature affects CO2. If you ever wondered why Gore didn't put the two lines together, that would be why. They don't fit; there's a two-hundred year time lag.
Also: where are all the experiments showing that CO2 affects the climate? There are none. So this is a faith, not a fact.
"teh evul Librul m3dia!"
Actually, I considered myself a Liberal till recently (now Libertarian). And I voted for Obama. So there. :P
"not where I life, its actually been quite mild."
Good for you, haha. I had to shovel my car out of a foot of snow. And my university cancelled classes for the first time in thirty years.
"Ya...because you sound like a regular expert in the subject. Where'd you get your Ph.D? Harvard? Yale? Oxford? MIT?"
I took a class on global warming. It wasn't the class I thought it'd be--it took everything I believed to be true about AGW, and I discovered it all to be a lie. I've got over two-hundred pages of notes and articles, if you'd like.
Blessed Cheese Maker: But how do you KNOW that didn't happen before?! No one possibly can!
"First you believed what you heard about global being man made was true. Then you took a class that took the opposite point of view and now you believe that??????"
Basically, I'm saying that I'm skeptical, leaning on the negative side. Everything that I was taught about global warming turned out to be a lie. Everything that people claimed to be fact turned out to be fiction.
"yeah antarctica isn't melting and if it is, it's a naturally occuring event"
Uh, yeah. There's evidence that if melted before. Then during the ice age, grew. Now it's melting again. Then, during the ice age that should be happening any year now, it will grow again. Such is the cycle of the earth.
You know, in the seventies, they were freaking out about global cooling. There were books, it was on the news, and so on. Sounds familiar, huh.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
"it's impossible to get accurate readings of the temperature thousands of years ago"
Whoever told you that, certainly wasn't a scientist. Most scientists will admit that the verdict is still out on how much effect our emmisions are truly having on climate change, its the politicians that promote or reject it with fervor like religion.
Its good to be cautious about jumping on politically popular postitions, however, keep in mind that the conservatives were claiming that the earth wasn't warming at all just 5 years ago, and as more and more scientific data becomes available, they have switched thier positions to Global warming isn't manmade. They were wrong before, and laughed at and belittled scientists claiming it was happening back then, so I have give little weight in what they have to say about it now, that it is conclusive that the world is warming.
If a majority of scientists agree that we are having an effect, I am prone to believe the majority, just as with gravity, volcanic theory and plate techtonics. That many educated people, all testing and measuring concurring has meaning.
Source(s): Considering we had the coldest/snowiest winter in ten years... not where I live, its actually been quite mild. Let me get some pics to help show what is happening empirically: http://ak.water.usgs.gov/glaciology/south_cascade/... http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GLIMS/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJ9F8WKXVU Hope this helps Edit: It has happened before, we can tell by measuring gas content in Glacial ice found at the poles. Basically put, the earth temperature corelates with certain levels of co2, oxygen and amonia found in the atmosphere, we can measure that, by measuring gas bubbles caught in glacial ice. Climate change has happened in the past, but never at this rate of change, that is what is alarming. Oh and yes you can borrow my shovel. ;-) - Anonymous1 decade ago
The scientific consensus is well documented and vast.
The media is the only outlet that has portrayed a conflict of ideas. In the scientific community there is an overwhelming consensus that the science says the causes are man made. What you are saying is completely ill-informed and sounds basically like somebody who listened to a propagandist. Just wikipedia "scientific consensus on global warming", or read the Scientific American article on it, or read the statement by the National Science Academy or The European Science Academy or the Society for the Advancement of Science or one of any other 100-200 Scientific groups that have issued strong, affirmitive statements, backed by actual data (not anecdotal evidence like "Gee we had a really cold winter!").
All of these organizations have concurred, over and over again, that global warming exists and that its causes are almost certainly man-made. The media, which is largely controlled by multinationals with vested interests in fossil fuels, has presented the situation as a debate when in plain fact it is not.
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I'm not convinced of global warming. However, a lot of research seems to support it. And, it can't be a bad thing to cut down on the poison we release into the atmosphere. As long as we don't destroy economies in the process.
And, sorry, but I don't believe any reporters were fired for asking questions.
First you believed what you heard about global being man made was true. Then you took a class that took the opposite point of view and now you believe that??????
- Anonymous1 decade ago
THere is a lot of controversy amoung scientists regarding man made warming but either way its got all the earmarks of a just cause toward which we may all be driven for a number of years till the ice age starts then it will be man made global cooling and the christians will all mill around saying it is a sign of the end of times while we franticly burn fossil fuels trying to warm the place up and I like strawberries better than blueberrys
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- 5 years ago
AGW is a Religion designed to promote Marxism. Deceit & Lies are just part of the MO. And if a high priest or two gets caught, well you can't tar the whole Religion for a few bad apples -right? Saving the planet is just too damn important. AGW believers will simply believe occasional moral lapses were done with good intent. The notion of 'confirmation' is a scientific one & AGW isn't science, it's faith. So rest assured nothing is confirmed.
- DanteLv 51 decade ago
I love it! I heard a few weeks ago that the polar caps are melting -- ON MARS! Now, that is one huge carbon footprint we cast.
FACT: China is buying carbon credits based on the state mandated abortions they require! They say: Each human, during its lifetime, contributes a certain number of tonnes of pollutants into the earth. Therefore, for each baby they kill they get to buy back the Carbon Credits which those humans won't be using. Then they get to increase the pollution from their industry.
Global Warming is really all about the money! Trillions of dollars to be had by adding a world-wide tax (carbon credits) on everything!
Did you know, Al Gore invented the Internet?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Right, so since global-warming doesn't exist, let's just rape the planet of every ounce of natural beauty it has, eh?
Whether or not it's real, what's the harm in going green?
But the fact of the matter is, the ice caps are melting and trees - which produce oxygen for animals like us to breathe - are being chopped down by the masses so we can continue being materialistic azzholes.
- Miss LollyLv 61 decade ago
Ya...because you sound like a regular expert in the subject. Where'd you get your Ph.D? Harvard? Yale? Oxford? MIT?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Once Algore turns off the lights in his mansion, which btw consume 20 times the power of the average household, carbon emissions will be reduced
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Two words: scientific. consensus. You're trying to claim that all the scientific reports summing up this consensus were written by...teh evul Librul m3dia! Even the big oil companies are abandoning their denial. Congratulations, you are true dead-ender.
edit: Libertarian. I'm so shocked. How about some actual scientific reading?: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/a...