♥What annoys Jews more? JWs claiming HaShem is Jehovah & the Tanakh says so OR Xians calling Jesus Messiah?

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We know Jews don't call God by those names, and Jews know Jesus is not the Davidic Messiah, but neither of those things is as "annoying" as identity theft.

edit: I wish to note..these two things can be more annoying than anything if the person insisting them gets nasty or aggressive..Overall, in my every day life, I don't bother to think about Christian beliefs much. I am friends with many Christians. I have a few family members that are Christians. Until or unless they're trying to convert me, they misrepresent an aspect of my faith or they're hateful to me and try to base it on their belief, I get along with most folk. I try be respectful and tolerant of the right of individuals and groups to have their own unadulterated culture, customs and beliefs. My tolerance extends to the point where the expression of those beliefs violate certain standards of behaviors: If they attempt to violate another’s civil rights, seek to incite harm to anyone, willfully deceive another or misrepresent the beliefs of others then my tolerance ceases.

the evangelical Hebrew Christians who call themselves Jews when their doctrine utterly violates Torah precept and then cry "persecution" when Jews of EVERY branch on EVERY" continent speak to this truth.

It is worse than annoying,. It is creating antisemitism when they claim they are "persecuted" for belief in Jesus in utter falsehood.

They are most definitely free to believe whatever they want to believe. Mazel Tov on their choice of following the New Testament doctrine.

They simply will never ever be able to call it Jewish belief without Jews being forced to speak out to declare that is not true if they wish to call worship of or through a human a form of Judaism.

If a Devil worshipper were to call themself a "completed Christian" I think it would be expected that Christians would not respect that. Jews do not like to see Judaism misrepresented and Jewish identity hijacked. If there was someone insisting on misrepresenting Jewish belief and Jews pointed that out with clear evidence that isn't something that should be declared hostile.

The assault to the rights of Jewish people to maintain Jewish identity through Jewish law is hostile to Jews and is creating antisemitism considering they're also teaching in falsehood that Jews hate them because they believe in Jesus! That essentially says Jews hate Christians for their belief..which is another lie. We just want them to stop calling themselves as following Judaism so that we don't have to keep coming along behind them to say..no, you're not. God defined in the Torah what is and isn't of the eternal covenant and the New Testament is contradictory to it. It is not Judaism.

it is not bigotry to declare that Judaism is not Christianity.

There is no branch of Judaism known as "Messianic Judaism" because ALL of Judaism *is* messianic...meaning that the Jewish religion's tenets of faith contain belief in the promises by God of a Davidic messianic age. Judaism is the original messianic religion so it would be a nonsense term to say non messianic Jew.

The concept and job description of the term messiah in the Tanakh is simply VERY different from that of the New Testament

ALL branches of Judaism are in complete agreement that this assault to Jewish identity by people who profess faith in the doctrine of the New Testament is not telling these people what to believe, but just trying to inform the world that these people are not being honest when they hijack the identity of the Jewish people.

We currently have no other name to call them than what they were FORMERLY known as, Hebrew Christians. The Messianic Jewish Alliance of America was known by that name from it's beginning in 1915 until 1975. The term "Messianic Judaism" began around 1967 according to "Christianity Today" magazine. Their statements of faith are in contradiction to the statements of belief of every form of Judaism on planet earth. Every Chief Rabbi and Jewish organization of every branch on every continent you find Jews and every Jewish user from five continents here in Yahoo that I've seen posting on this issue are in full agreement. This isn't a schism within Judaism, It isn't Judaism.

Yahoo Answers is supposed to be a place where people seek knowledge and factual information. If Jews did NOT speak out when Judaism and Jewish identity is being misrepresented, that would mean that false information is condoned as fact. That should not be acceptable to ANY honest person using Yahoo as it is intended, Jew or Gentile. In fact, because Jews are so few in number, we hope that more people will stop turning a blind eye to this and also speak out for honesty.

Jews do not believe God is exclusive to us..but we believe that we must be exclusive to God. Worship of or through a Jew is a violation of Torah to do.

Shalom

EDIT: Thank you for your respect!

How appropriate you bring up a Bar Mitzvah. I'm married to a non-Jew. He isn't Christian, but the majority of his family is practicing Christian. My Christian in-laws, nephews and nieces attended our son's Bar Mitzvah recently and enjoyed it tremendously. They were utterly fascinated to hear the Torah portion and a portion of the Prophets in Hebrew. I was of course beaming with pride that my son did so wonderfully and wrote a wonderful d'var Torah ( talk on the portion) AND afterward, my Christian brother in law,a "semi-professional" singer, who also sings a solo at his church each Christmas from Handel's Messiah...sang at my son's reception. Of course he would have never disrespected us to sing anything to do with Christianity. He even sang Hine Mah Tov..a well known song that is from Psalms in HEBREW just for the occasion. The lyrics say in English translation " how good and pleasant it is for brothers to dwell in unity"

We can respect one another and respect that we have different beliefs. Yes, that's the best way to get along in the world IMHO.

Shalom

(ps I know that last bit veered from the q but I just wanted to share )

ANOTHER EDIT: That speaks to an ANNOYANCE of mine.

DJ just said that Jews were responsible for God's name being removed from the Bible! NONSENSE.

The Torah scrolls used today are identitcal to the oldest Torah's known and God's name is in all of them. It is a violation of a commandment that has always been taken VERY seriously by scribes for thousands of years..to alter even the tiniest portion of Torah.

There is NO Jewish Bible that has ever had God's name removed.

I have seen that false accusation made a number of times in Y/A and several times had people argue with me about it even when I linked them to the Orion Center in Israel, home of the Dead Sea Scrolls that confirm that the oldest known Tanakh's have God's name in them in the same places as those in use today in synagogues around the world.

shalom

We find this in the Hebrew version of the Tanakh, as interpreted according to Jewish tradition since before the time of Jesus, if he existed - you'll get a bunch of great answers and website links to this, Paperback Writer always coming through, but the short version is that some of the passages Christians think refer to the messiah, Jews think don't, that some of the passages Christians think refer to the messiah are mistranslations (the virgin birth, e.g.), and that some of the passages we all agree talk about the characteristics of the messiah are interpreted differently by the two religions. One of them is that Judaism has never found anything in the book we wrote and think we get dibs on interpreting (I know, lame argument, but we feel that way) about a return visit. I could say Paris Hilton hasn't fulfilled the prophecies but might return in 3000 years and do it, but it would sound kinda goofy. That's how we think about the second coming of Jesus - it seems fabricated post-Jesus, in line with other local religious beliefs at the time, as a lame excuse for why the messiah didn't do what the messiah is supposed to do. Like bring peace on earth. It's really nothing personal about Jesus. We don't think about Jesus, who is not discussed in Judaism. To a Jew, when the messiah comes there will be peace on earth. We look, there is no peace on earth, so we know the messiah has not yet arrived. You'd get better answers not asking this on Yom Kippur, on which day I would like to add, I hope my words have not offended you and apologize if they have; that was not my intent.

answer: Most Jews I know don't worry too much about either except that some Christians seemed VERY determined to prove to Jews Jesus was the Jewish messiah and won't let up.

1) JWs and various PC Cults claiming "Jehovah" is the Divine Name in Scripture - despite the mistranslation and wishful thinking - Jehovah and Yahweh are NOT the sacred name of G-d. No one knows the name of G-d any longer. The name Yvhv wasn't written with vowels included and has been lost to time.

2) Jesus (Yeshua) is the Messiah? - Despite how many times Jews point out that Jesus couldn't have been the Jewish Messiah, Christians will see otherwise and stick to their mistranslations and out-of-context verses of the OT and not explore the actual Tanakh.

Christianity is a wonderful religion. Nothing says G-d couldn't have used Jesus and Paul to spread monotheism to the pagan gentiles. Tacking on the title of Jewish Messiah on Jesus was incorrect, however. Declaring Jesus divine was probably in error as well.

Divinity proves Jesus wasn't the messiah.

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Pleasure and thanks for being tolerant and understanding.

Honestly I don't think we get annoyed by those two things, because we respect that Christians hold those beliefs.

The one issue that DOES infuriate us is when Christian evangelists go round posing as 'messianic jews'.

99% of Messianics were *never* Jews to START WITH!

Messianics are ***literally*** not Jewish.

Just as Hindus are literally not Jewish.

Just as Catholics are literally not Jewish.

And a Jew who becomes a Christian = a Christian

There is no 'messianic' group in Judaism.

Every single Jewish movement - worldwide - has publicly condemned the Messianics. As have many Christian movements! Even Billy Graham has openly condemned their deceit in pretending to be 'jews' when they are not.

This issue aside, we don't have any problem with our Christian friends :)

(though yes, of course it can get a tad irritating when ***some*** Christians tell us that we have 'misunderstood' our own scriptures.....!)

To read more, check out 'The Missionary Position' at http://ajewwithaview.blogspot.com/

I wouldn't use the word annoying but what concerns me the most is that people continue to de detracted by the various religions at all.

We consistently refuse to look and see the truths that the core of all religions point to.

Someone said "it's all fingers pointing at the moon." Instead of looking at the moon people are detracted by all the fingers pointing at it.

There is One Life on this planet. All religions point to IT. We are grown enough now as a people to understand.

Actually, neither. Whatever people want to do in their religions (as long as it hurts no one) is fine with me; that's their own personal belief. What I take issue with is when people practice deception or saying that a member of that religion doesn't understand their own Scripture or Bible.

As a Jew, I find it arrogant and insulting to hear that my Tanakh is wrong and I'm going to hell if I don't accept Jesus (and yes, it's happened in my life, not necc. here).

Jews don't believe that there is only one path, so...live and let live and do it honestly.

((((Beans)))) - Hang in there, hon! Thanks for your question and your respect. Greatly appreciated!

Neither. It's Christians misinterpreting the Torah/Tanakh to fit their world views.

You should search out the one who calls himself Greek Translator...he is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses and he does know the ancient Hebrew and Greek languages.

He can give you some insight regarding you're claims here.

I found him to be very pleasant to visit with as well as very knowledgeable.

Who gives a **** none of them even exist or are real.

exsquese me, im a JW, what on earth does that mean?