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Why do people report experiences after being revived from clinical death?

wait a minute you dogmatic rationalists (yeah atheists are just as dogmatic as religious nuts)

i thought consciousness was a completely dependent function of the brain.

then why do people consistently report sensory experiences after being revived from being clinically dead (flatlined)?

in some cases patients have been revived after 10 minutes of clinical death. how do you explain their reports of experiences during that time?

is it A: there is enough brain activity after death to produce experiences of consciousness?

B: all the credible accounts, even of medical personnell, of being clinically dead and experiencing strange phenomena are lies?

lets assume its A. lets assume that there is enough brain activity in death for 10 minutes to produce conscious experience. could it be that within those 10 minutes of twilight consciousness time loses its meaning? is it possible, like waking from a dream that seemed to last days, that this short time of consciousness could seem like an eternity?

Update:

nowpower :

you are stating that because an experience is subjective that makes it not real. all experiences are subjective to the individual. two people experience the same event differently. doesn't mean the event didn't happen. your logic is flawed.

Update 2:

barabas:

then how do you account those clinically dead for over 10 minutes and reporting experiences that are anything but brief>

also for the oxygen deprivation people: you do realize that people report experiences after several minutes of not breathing? the initial effects of oxygen deprivation seem to be outweighed by those that occur several minutes into the death experience. none of which are similar to oxygen death reports.

try again please. i love this topic.

Update 3:

also nowpower, if you read accounts their experiences ARE similar. they are subjectively perceived but there are stark similarities. obviously scientist see this as noteworthy, otherwise there would be no need to research near death phenomena.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    read Life after Life. it explains it very well. or the Bardo Thodol

    Source(s): a believer
  • 1 decade ago

    When your body starts to shut down your brain is flooded with a chemical that produces a state similar to what happens when you take hallucinogenic drugs. The sensation of "going toward a light" is a result of the process of the nervous system shutting down.

    Not everyone who is clinically dead has such an experience, and not everyone who has such an experience sees the same things. Any images come from your own mind. People aren't lying when they tell you what they experienced, but that doesn't mean that something real happened outside of their own brains, either.

    The images may have flooded the brain before brain activity ceased. You're assuming that images came after cessation of electrical activity, but there's absolutely no reason to assume any such thing. When the person is revived, the images may still be in the neurons responsible for short-term memory.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    They don't "consistently" report such experiences -- in fact, they're "reported" in less than 2% of such cases.

    "Flatline" just means your heart has stopped beating. The cells in your brain can get along just fine without a fresh blood supply for anywhere between 4-8 minutes. After 1-2 minutes, though, your brain goes into kind of a "survival" mode, where the lowered supply of oxygen triggers the release of chemicals that start neurons firing madly to try and keep the brain alive in a low-oxygen state. Just like in dreams, the random firings of neurons result in sequences of memories being accessed that are very random, and from which your subconscious tries to make some sense. And yes, there's usually no sense of "time" involved, just like in dreams (it's quite common to "dream" for a few minutes and have it seem like hours).

    There's nothing magical or life-after-death going on here, just simply brain chemistry. That the effect can be duplicated without "flatlining" by chemical injections shows that. That what people "experience" is different depending on culture, location, and belief shows that it comes entirely from within their own brains, not from some external experience.

    Peace.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Brain hypoxia (lack of oxygen) leads to hallucinations. This has been studied extensively by the US Air force. Not only that, but it has been REPLICATED multiple times.

    EDIT: is it A: there is enough brain activity after death to produce experiences of consciousness?

    You are confusing "death" with "clinical death."

    Clinical death is simply defined as when the heart stops. The brain is still alive for several minutes, moreso if CPR is performed, and there is still brain activity.

    Actual "death" is the death of the brain. That's when brain activity is zero, and no one EVER comes back from that.

    EDIT: you do realize that people report experiences after several minutes of not breathing? the initial effects of oxygen deprivation seem to be outweighed by those that occur several minutes into the death experience. none of which are similar to oxygen death reports.

    I've spoken to several neurologists and neurosurgeons about this topic as it interests me as well. They all told me that the experiences that people have while clinically dead, especially in regards to when exactly the experiences took place, are not to be trusted because it's impossible to gauge time accurately when unconscious. There have been studies on this as well, with people being questioned about how long exactly their experiences were and how long they think they were unconscious. The study found that you can't accurately measure time in a state like that.

    So when people say that their experiences happened minutes after the oxygen loss, I regard that as unreliable data.

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  • 1 decade ago

    The brain still functions for tens of seconds after complete separation from a blood supply (such as after getting severed from the body). What do you think goes through the mind while it is still active in that situation?

  • 1 decade ago

    If they all had the same experience, it would be of note.

    As it is, they report experiences that reflect their particular beliefs.

    So the experience isn't real.

    Edit: If one sees Jesus, and another sees a different deity, and another sees no deity, they can be said to be seeing what they expect to see, a personal fiction.

    The research into this is fascinating. I understand they've been placing objects up on top of things so high they're not visible unless you're floating at the ceiling, as many have claimed to experience. So far, not one of them has been able to report those objects.

  • 1 decade ago

    When you awaken in the morning, and you recall some dreams from the night before, do you know which REM cycle it was from? When a person is revived, are they recalling something from time during which all brain function had ceased or from the moments before brain function ceased?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I don't know the answer to that one.

    Yes I have experienced a NDE on the operating table, but I can't explain it and neither could the doctors, so I'll take it for what it was, a rather interesting experience and one I have no answers for.

    I would however be lying if I said I didn't want to know more, because I do.

  • kigar
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

    i could have faith what replaced into written in the Bible that Jesus reported over a 4 300 and sixty 5 days previous. The 4 300 and sixty 5 days previous could not have a sufficient command of his language to communicate what he seen. yet it somewhat ought to count on who's examining of the scripture and in case you somewhat understood what the lad meant.

  • 1 decade ago

    your assumption is flawed in that those experiences actually happened while they where dead and not in the seconds prior as the brain fought for oxygen as has been studied. Assumptions are why you are religious, questions are why we are not.

  • 1 decade ago

    There is no such thing as clinical death. Either you are dead or alive.

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