Cactus Prophet

honestly. how are you a practicing shaman and getting on YA all day?

really?

2.4 grams of mescaline

60 grams of dried peyote buttons ground into powder

14 grams of cubensis mushrooms

1 liter of brigesii cactus tea

a gram of herb

is all this good enough for two people to have a weeklong spiritual excursion into the Chihuahuan desert of west texas?

i plan on resting for a day in between each experience. let me know if i should add anything.

Imagine a scale from 1-10 to place on the most important life altering events you have experienced. Losing a loved one, your first kiss, losing your virginity, your craziest mushroom trip ect. now what do you think is an 11?

If you really contemplate this for a while you might conclude that your own birth is the most intense and reality altering experience anyone could go through. Imagine yourself in a comfortable dark place, warm and safe. then all of a sudden you are being pulled down a tunnel, a threshold and are grabbed by hands you cant see. Immediately as you pass through this doorway an entirely new universe opens up in front of you and a strange entity grabs you, turns you upside down and hits you. What could be more altering to one's reality?

an imitation of a real sacrament like peyote or teonanacatl?

i eat a cracker and feel nothing.

i eat a mushroom and feel the imminent presence of the divine.

you go to church and talk about god.

i go to the teepee and speak with god.

now kids you should never try this at home but seriously.... did he really deserve that much money for seeing God on his out of body induced experience? i see god on Peyote all the time, sheesh.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastn...

VANCOUVER - A Campbell River man has received $63,000 in damages for an "out-of-body experience" in which he said he saw God after being accidentally overdosed with the painkiller Ketamine while recovering from back surgery in Vancouver General Hospital.

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Frank Cole made the award to former social worker Bradley Weafer, 38, but rejected Weafer's claim that he had suffered significant brain damage as a result of the overdose, which occurred Aug. 11, 2001.

Cole found that Weafer suffered psychological trauma from the overdose, in which he received the entire contents of a 500-milligram bag of Ketamine -- being administered intravenously -- over a five-minute period. He was supposed to have received three millilitres an hour for 24 hours.

The overdose caused him to lose consciousness and he needed to be resuscitated. He later told his parents he'd had a terrifying out-of-body experience, which medical evidence indicated was one of the side-effects of a Ketamine overdose.

He initially claimed to have suffered a heart attack as a result of the overdose, but this claim wasn't pursued at trial.

Cole found that Weafer had experienced poor health before the Ketamine incident.

The judge rejected claims that chest pains Weafer says he suffered were from CPR being performed on him and that the pain "insofar as it exists" was not caused by the incident.

Witnesses said Weafer was talking like a child when they visited him in hospital and he said he has experienced speech problems since the overdose. However, Cole dismissed that claim and said if Weafer has any speech problems, "they do not appear to impair his life."

Weafer told the court that before the overdose, he remembered being hooked up to medication and falling asleep.

"He said his life changed," Cole wrote in his reasons for judgment.

"He said: 'I was sucked down into black tunnels where I've never been before. People pulling me around by my feet, all black, was hot, scary, saw life flash in front of me. I saw my mother, felt being born and placed in my mother's arms, life review of all the good and bad . . . then I shot up through the sky surrounded like a shower of white light, went straight through the clouds and saw this figure to the right and he had a white cap on, look at his face and he wouldn't let me see his face. It was a bright white light. He was an office-tower high, larger than any building I'd ever seen.'"

Weafer then described seeing a gathering of people waiting for him on the other side of a trellis -- further journeys down into blackness and back into light --until he woke up and found doctors asking him questions.

He told them, "I just saw God and was fighting for my life."

In dismissing Weafer's claims of brain damage, Cole nevertheless said the man "suffered a great degree of stress and anxiety due to the Ketamine incident. The near-death experience was terrifying."

He awarded Weafer $55,000 in damages, $5,000 for the expenses of his parents looking after him and $3,000 in special damages.

... is to leave people alone and stop trying to convert them?

evangelicals im talking to you!

they found 7,000 year old peyote effigies in the shumla caves in the Pecos region of Texas.

is there an older one, that is still practiced today? if not that would make peyotism, my religion, the oldest.

If so which side is he on:

the side that has already lost?

Or the side that has already won?

all you have to do... is fold it!!!!

try salvia divinorum and you will understand what i mean.

is it easier for a camel to pass through a donut hole, than it is for a rich man to enter heaven?

so that i could be saved from wake and bake munchies?

apparently the US government is allowing several religious groups in the united states to use psychedelics legally for their ceremonies. as of march 2009 two churches won the right to use a DMT containing brew. The native american church has already had the right to use peyote for a long time now.

the NAC, UDV, and Santo Daime churches all use psychedelics.

i feel like in my experience psychedelics do have the potential for abuse amongst teenagers and young people. However there is an increasing body of knowledge that suggests psychedelics are extremely beneficial when used in the right setting.

how do you feel about this?

it seems like there are tons of plants that cause abortion/miscarriage. many different kinds were used by civilizations around the world. from the romans, to the egyptians to the jews (syrian rue grows in the middle east) many ancient people used plants that cause contraction of the uterus and miscarriage. women would intentionally ingest such plants to lose unwanted babies.

Moses and his people knew about such plants. Even herders in the Sinai desert today still use syrian rue as an abortificant. but God never made any law to say they couldn't use them. strange isnt it?

if God didn't want women to have abortions why the heck did he make it so easy by just eating a plant? and why did he allow such plants to grow on just about every continent except antarctica?

ever took the chance to walk for a day in someone else's mocassins? just to kind of see from an outside perspective. no harm done in that right?

i mean you could take the time and place your religion under the same logical scrutiny as we do other claims with little evidence that might otherwise be false.

European paganism was for the most part wiped out through the Inquisition. what little bits of the tradition that did survive were fragmented and little record exists from the pagans themselves. so where is the standard by which the wiccan doctrine is upheld? From a scholarly standpoint the only claim that he could have to such traditions are through direct lineage. Those lineages to which he lays claim such as the new forest coven (an offshoot of the Rosicrucian Order) are no older than 150 years. that is hardly what i would consider ancient or authentic since such lineages are operating long after the violent and widespread inquisition.

What you see today in the pagan cults is at the most a couple of hundred years old and often the invention of "modern people." The principles of Wicca were put down by Gerald Gardner in 1954, and no one has been able to prove that what he established are really traditional teachings.

really? because that's exactly what im about to do. :)

ok cut the crap. the josephus and tacitus accounts are proven forgeries. says a lot for the integrity of the religion for people to forge historical accounts just to prove it. i find that somewhat uncanny.

however im not here to bash you for the deceptions of unscrupulous folks. im simply seeking out proof. the real deal.

im looking for evidence for historical Jesus accounts found by scholars who are not christian (ie. biased). where are they?

also be careful in your examples. the word "christ" used in an account is completely unacceptable. that could be referring to anyone as Christos means "annointed".

where is a historical account from a roman(or other) official of a miracle working Jesus of Nazareth?

wait a minute you dogmatic rationalists (yeah atheists are just as dogmatic as religious nuts)

i thought consciousness was a completely dependent function of the brain.

then why do people consistently report sensory experiences after being revived from being clinically dead (flatlined)?

in some cases patients have been revived after 10 minutes of clinical death. how do you explain their reports of experiences during that time?

is it A: there is enough brain activity after death to produce experiences of consciousness?

B: all the credible accounts, even of medical personnell, of being clinically dead and experiencing strange phenomena are lies?

lets assume its A. lets assume that there is enough brain activity in death for 10 minutes to produce conscious experience. could it be that within those 10 minutes of twilight consciousness time loses its meaning? is it possible, like waking from a dream that seemed to last days, that this short time of consciousness could seem like an eternity?