Related to the adoptive breastfeeding thing...?

But adopted children actually have biological mothers, don't they?

It's not done because the AP can't afford formula, and she isn't "wet" all the time as these other women in developing countries are, is she? The amother must take hormones (to be fed into a child with a developing brain) to *pretend* that she is the natural mother to this child. She isn't.

I don't believe that adoptive breastfeeding is for the child's benefit AT ALL. It's done to soothe the AP's need to feel "bonded" to a child that another woman bore. I believe that the only response an adopted child could *feel* is utter dependence and fear. We mustn't forget that this is a child who has just lost his mother...

So, no, I don't have that "Western" thinking (hate Western medicine and the Western invention of modern adoption) that it is a sexualized custom. It's just a profoundly selfish desire of a woman who's need to pretend supersedes the emotional and physical health of a child unlucky enough to land in her lap.

It is not natural by any means. A newborn can tell the difference between his mother's milk and a stranger's milk. I am less against it if the Amom can induce lactation without chemicals. At the same time though, many women who must induce lactation don't have a full supply and have to formula feed anyway. In cases of adoption, the baby will need formula regardless so it should be the only nutrition given as it is less manipulative to the baby's psyche.

If the APs are so concerned about the baby being breastfed, the right thing to do is ask the biological mother to pump breastmilk; if she refuses they should formula feed.

Let me clear up a misconception here: a woman does NOT need to "pump her body full of chemicals and hormones" to produce breast milk. Regular pumping with a breast pump will stimulate the glands and the body will start naturally producing milk. This is why women who have weaned children are able to begin again, even after they dry up.

Baby formula fed to infants by women capable of breastfeeding them is abusive. Only in America will you find WOMEN grossed out by a normal female bodily function and nurturing behavior. Please.

Those who condemn adoptive breastfeeding are just plain ignorant.

I'm not bothered by another woman (other than the biological mother) breast feeding another woman's child for the sake of survival. Historically its been an accepted practice because there's never been a guarantee that a mother will automatically produce milk if she gives birth. This why they called a woman who still had breast milk a wet nurse, often women who had more than they could supply their own baby would offer to feed another who needed it in a village or town.

(And they didn't have formula until recent times. Before that, babies had boiled cows milk if their mother couldn't produce breast milk. My DH was fed on cow's milk because his mother couldn't breast feed, it was all she had, and he's okay, very smart man with a high IQ and emotionally stable person.))

The only thing that I don't like is the introduction of drugs to bring on the breast milk. That does bother me, and it not about whether an adoptive mother or a mother who gives birth takes them so she can breastfeed. Its about the chemically induced milk a baby them drinks from the mother. I feel we don't know enough about the effects of the hormones that are bound to end up in the breast milk on a growing baby. Who knows whats going to show up in 20yrs time.

Western culture and ways of doing things doesn't hold the answers to everything. We get a bit full of ourselves when it comes to things at times in West, like we know best in everything.

In that area the only thing I see as real abuse is allowing a baby to go hungry and starve because of attitudes.

In other parts of the world, women use wet nurses so their child can live, because they may not have a clean water source for mixing formula, and may have limited access to pre-mixed formula.

I am "one of those" breastfeeding mothers. I nursed my children until they were almost 2 years old. I was also a LLL lactation consultant in my area.

The primary incentive for breastfeeding is nutrition. A woman's body makes milk SPECIFICALLY for HER newborn child. When a wet nurse is employed (as in some other countries) it is out of necessity.

Again- a non-child bearing woman CAN produce milk without hormones, by stimulation, but it would never be enough to keep a child alive, nor would it have the mother's "first milk", or colostrum. AND, an adoptive mother's milk would not be the "perfect food" for her adoptive child, because that child is not genetically related to her. Breastfeeding an adoptive child is only for the mother's self gratification. She has someone else's child- you would think that would be enough for her. ;)

I do believe it should only happen when a child's life is in danger (no formula/access to clean water)

You wrote, "If you see the practice of breastfeeding a child you didn't birth as emotionally abusive, do you believe children would be better off in a culture where they would receive formula, since abuse is one reason most of us agree that children need to be removed from their homes?"

Huh? Im not sure what you are implying, but I do feel it is abusive to nurse an adoptive child. Emotionally, and physically. I think I feel so strongly about this BECAUSE I breast fed, and worked with other nursing Moms and babies.

I believe it should be against the law for an adoptive Mother to breastfeed her adoptive child, so yes- I think adoptive Mothers should only be permitted to bottle feed.

Plus, it's just plain disgusting to me, from a MENTAL stand-point. I adore my A Mom. But she did NOT give birth to me. I am so thankful she never pretended to be my natural Mother. And yes, she DID breast feed my sister, her bio child.

I've thought about it this way as well MonkeyKitty and I'm not expecting many thumbs ups from this answer at all (and I don't care):

I don't like the idea of hormones/medicines being used to stimulate lactation. I don't know how this would affect the baby but, considering breastfeeding mothers are cautioned against medicines, etc., I just don't think it's a good idea.

However (and this is the part I know most on here will disagree with), if an a-mother is producing breast milk naturally (aka had a baby) and the milk contains no hormones or other medicines, I really don't see much of an issue. I would like to think that a-mothers will have talked to the bio-mother ahead of time about this (if the two have had contact) just so everyone is on the same page.

Honestly, I can't see how a baby being breastfed by only their adoptive mother would be any more confused than a baby who is consistently nursing from two different women.

Just my (highly unpopular) 2 cents.

ETA: I CERTAINLY think it's way way way wrong to "nurse" a child who is too old to be doing so (school age and older, but I would think maybe even a little younger than school age is too old).

I just find it icky. I can't say why, but this is where adoption is different. Personally the people adopting these healthy infants likely don't know much about adoption to start with, and are doing it to bond. In adoption I think there needs to be a line. In developing countries where it is based on survival that is different thing altogether. That is the line. To survive, people do what they need to do. But when you adopt a child, you accept there are limitations to what you can do.

To me this also begs how old is too old for breastfeeding. I adopted older kids and surely we would all agree that just would not be right.

I've yet to see any evidence either way as to whether it's beneficial.

If the issues from artificial hormones in the milk outweigh the benefits from baby getting breastmilk, then I'd say it's a bad idea. If the benefits (antibodies, easy digestion etc.) outweigh the risk from the artificial hormones, then I'd say it's a good idea. Have any studies been done on this at all?

I don't consider it emotionally abusive. But it should be done because it's best for the _child_. If the mother wants to lactate for her own health reasons but it's not as good for the child as formula, then she can pump and dump.

Very interesting questions and I've wondered the same thing. I had to mull it over before answering.

I have less of an issue if the adoptive mother is able to naturally produce breastmilk. Generally, this means that the adoptive mother has already given birth ad successfully nursed before. Which means, it's less likely that the adoptive mother is trying to "mimic" the experiences of giving birth, because she already has done that.

I don't have any problem with women in developing countries nursing their own children or each other's children. I also don't have a problem with women in developing countries nursing until the child is 2 or 3. It's cultural and seems to me to be a question of apples and oranges. But I do see your point.

Umm...thanks for the plug ML???

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And if you note, I also said in my blog that I don't have a problem with it as long as you are not using hormones or hooking yourself up to formula machines. That really is kooky.

The hormones are PROVEN eh? Not good enough. The hormones in the milk at the gorcery store are supposed to be "PROVEN" safe too. But I don't give that crap to my kids. I don't need a seven foot tall kid who hits puberty at age 9. No thank you.

Hormones in ANY milk are bad, especially BREAST MILK.

This part of your question makes absolutely no sense to me:

"If you see the practice of breastfeeding a child you didn't birth as emotionally abusive, do you believe children would be better off in a culture where they would receive formula, since abuse is one reason most of us agree that children need to be removed from their homes?"

How does 'a culture where they would receive formula' have anything to do with children being removed from abusive homes?