Christians: when Jesus said...?

Every Christian I ask glosses over the "... until heaven and earth disappear ..." part. They just ignore it.

This statement comes from the Gospel of Matthew where Jesus indicates how IMPORTANT the Jewish Law is. What's more, Jesus told a rich man to follow the 10 commandments:

Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life ?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” - Matthew 19:16-17.

If justification comes by faith only (as Paul argues), then why would Jesus say all this? It doesn't make sense.

well? jesus did say alll things were fulfilled.

however the correct statement was that nothing in the scriptures would fail, using the terms jots and tittles. yet, there is evidence that the bible has been tampered with. so it might be considered that though the old testament has an appearance of being preserved, and the prophecy itself was from God, that it might be a man-made prophecy.

idk for sure

what i do know is that the jots and tittles do not exist in the english languague and that the bible jesus read from had no parts of the new testament or the gospels (of anykind) or even of the apocalyptic books that christians revere as totallytrue. even the ones that were popular but not added to the bible.

its possible that jesus was speaking sarcastically to make a point.

jesus is the word of God, (thats like saying he is the light and prophet, or mouth piecie of God) the bible is not Jesus. nor ever will be.

That each of us must be perfected before passing onto the next level beyond Earth.

Jesus was not in this narrow box Christians put him in.

When he talks about law, it isn't just commandments he says or written ones before, or that He is the Way.

It is all the law of life in context of our Spiritual evolution, which, as he embodied, believe it or not, fulfilled.

He conquered karma, or the school of Earthlife. As Buddha, supposedly, and other Masters did. We all must follow that way, but rare few scarcely believe.

It's like a kid having to learn every lesson in school before he can pass onto the next grade.

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We can not miss one bit of the Reality, till all be fulfilled. Then the old heaven and earth pass.

Law is an old word, like sin which means, in our modern language, error.

Heaven and earth will pass away after the judgement and sentencing of the wicked. (2 Peter 3:7-13; Revelation 20:15, 21:1) This means the law is still applicable to our lives.

(This does not include the ceremonial law, which was done away with when Jesus died. The ceremonial law was put in place as the sacrificial system. When Jesus died, He was the final Sacrifice, so there was no more need of the ceremonial law. The moral law, (Ten Commandments- all of them) are still in effect because not one of them pointed to Jesus' death.)

I am a Christian.

Actually, you are trying to quote Matthew 5:18 KJV For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Christ was saying that all of the Old Testament laws and prophecies will be fulfilled no matter even if heaven and earth passed away. Luke said it this way: And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17 KJV

Also, Luke wrote: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21:33 KJV

it means that what is written can't be changed until all is accomplished or prophesied by JESUS CHRIST before their can be a change.heaven and earth shall pass away and man's words will pass away but CHRIST words will not pass away until all is fulfilled.will not return to HIM void.

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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Till heaven and earth pass -

This expression denotes that the law never would be destroyed until it should be all fulfilled. It is the same as saying everything else may change; the very earth and heaven may pass away, but the law of God shall not be destroyed until its whole design has been accomplished.

One jot -

The word “jot,” or yod (י y), is the name of the Hebrew letter I, the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet.

One tittle -

The word used here, in the Greek, means literally a little horn, then a point, an extremity. Several of the Hebrew letters were written with small points or apices, as in the Hebrew letter, shin (שׁ sh), or the Hebrew letter, sin (שׂ s), which serve to distinguish one letter from another. To change a small point of one letter, therefore, might vary the meaning of a word, and destroy the sense. The name “little horn” was given to these points probably from the manner in which they were written, resembling a little horn. Professor Hackett says of a manuscript which he saw a Jew transcribing: “One peculiarity, that struck me at once as I cast my eye over the parchment, was the horn-like appearance attached to some of the letters. I had seen the same mark, before this, in Hebrew manuscripts, but never where it was so prominent as here. The sign in question, as connected with the Hebrew Letter Lamedh (ל L) in particular, had almost the appearance of an intentional imitation of a ram’s head. It was to that appendage of the Hebrew letters that the Saviour referred when he said, “‘Not one jot or little horn’ (as the Greek term signifies, which our version renders ‘tittle,’) ‘shall pass from the law until all be fulfilled.’” - Illustrations of Scripture, p. 234. Hence, the Jews were exceedingly cautious in writing these letters, and considered the smallest change or omission a reason for destroying the whole manuscript when they were transcribing the Old Testament. The expression, “one jot or tittle,” became proverbial, and means that the smallest part of the law should not be destroyed.

The laws of the Jews are commonly divided into moral, ceremonial, and judicial. The moral laws are such as grow out of the nature of things, and which cannot, therefore, be changed - such as the duty of loving God and his creatures. These cannot be abolished, as it can never be made right to hate God, or to hate our fellow-men. Of this kind are the ten commandments, and these our Saviour has neither abolished nor superseded. The ceremonial laws are such as are appointed to meet certain states of society, or to regulate the religious rites and ceremonies of a people. These can be changed when circumstances are changed, and yet the moral law be untouched. A general in an army may command his soldiers to appear sometimes in a red coat and sometimes in blue or in yellow. This would be a ceremonial law, and might be changed as he pleased. The duty of obeying him, and of being faithful to his country, could not be changed.

This is a moral law. A parent might permit his children to have 50 different dresses at different times, and love them equally in all. The dress is a mere matter of ceremony, and may be changed. The child, in all these garments, is bound to love and obey his father. This is a moral law, and cannot be changed. So the laws of the Jews. Those designed to regulate mere matters of ceremony and rites of worship might be changed. Those requiring love and obedience to God and love to people could not be changed, and Christ did not attempt it, Mat_19:19; Mat_22:37-39; Luk_10:27; Rom_13:9. A third species of law was the judicial, or those laws regulating courts of justice which are contained in the Old Testament. These were of the nature of the ceremonial law, and might also be changed at pleasure. The judicial law of the Hebrews was adapted to their own civil society. When the form of their polity was changed this was of course no longer binding. The ceremonial law was fulfilled by the coming of Christ: the shadow was lost in the substance, and ceased to be binding. The moral law was confirmed and unchanged.

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He meant that the law would do its job: which was to point to (identify) the coming Messiah. Once it has done its job it would be finished and the new covenent would go into action.

To illustrate, think of a goal to climb mount Everest. What if someone said, this will be my greatest ACCOMPLISHMENT if I do it. When you get to the top of Mount Everest what do you do? Do you keep climbing or have you fulfilled your accomplishment? If it's fulfilled you now have to set a NEW goal to accompish because that one has been achieved. Can you now see how the law was accomplished? Can you understand why in Jesus a new goal or accomplishement had to be set?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED in Jesus.

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EDIT Jesus didn't come to abolish the law he came to FULFIL it.

Think of it like a promise; when you make the promise it lasts UNTIL you keep the promise. When you have done what you promised, what happens to the promise?

Let's take an example: Let's say you PROMISE to take your child to disney world. Until you do the child can say "you promised, you promised to take me" it can refer to your promise because it hasn't happened yet, you haven't taken him. Now what happens when you keep your promise, you fulfill your promise? Is the promise still standing? No, it's been kept. Sure you can make a NEW promise of the same thing or something different but the oringial one has been fulfilled or kept. The original promise no longer applies. Your child can't say "Take me, you promised!" now because you will reply "I did, now you have to stop going on about it". Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise. The old then no longer applied.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED

The law and all the Prophets Jesus said was about HIM. What where Jesus' last words as he died? Once he died faithful the law and the prophets had done their job. Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise the "disnesyland" so now he was there to make a new Promise. Out with the old, in with the new!

Jesus said everything had to be accomplished; everything HAS been accomplished, his ministry left nothing else. That moment when everything has been accomplished has come and gone. Now for the new.

To deny the need for a new covenent is to deny JESUS and his accomplishments; its to say his sacrifice was not enough. A Christians who insists on keeping the law is rejecting Jesus.

Jesus said: Law will not be abolished until law is fullfilled. (read properly - Until law is accomplished, heaven and earth will not be disappeared)

Once Law is full filled, law can be abolished. (full filled = accomplished)

Jesus full filled the law. now there is no more law to us.

Now law has to be followed to call ourself children of GOD.

Earlier Law used to deside who should go to heaven.

Now Jesus only desides who should go to Heaven. not law.

Edit:

Earlier Law is like a uniform to us to enter into the school(heaven).

who ever dont have uniform will not be allowed inside the school.

now school changed his mind. School told us to wear uniform not to allow inside the school but to call ourselves to the student of that school only.

Now school has given IDENTY card (JESUS).

If you have ID card you are allowed inside the school.

If you dont have IDENTY card (JESUS), u will not be allowed inside the school (heaven)

Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses so that all who put their faith into Jesus Christ can have everlasting life.

Only the Lord Jesus can be perfect and follow it all. =)