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RE. THE APPEARANCES OF THE VIRGIN MARY AT FATIMA IN 1917?
The Appearances of the BVM in Portugal 1917, culminated in that of October 1917. Including the 3 child seers, approximately 70,000 people saw and experieced the solar miracles of that date-as reported by the secular atheist press of the locality,'O Seculo'. Whilst Natural wonders of the Heavens are of great interest to many, I have wondering if any Readers of Answers have an interest in these, albeit caused by a Supernatural Source?
Intelligent Answers would be appreciated!!
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- Ernest SLv 79 years agoFavorite Answer
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Of course it takes nothing very much at all to deceive the Roman Catholics!
They are already deceived by the Roman Catholic Church.
After all they don't have Christ...they only have Mary.
- 9 years ago
I saw an old reel once of the children almost twisting their head all the way around. Like something out of the Exorcist !That was enough for me to say this wasn't of God
Not all those saw things and none other than the children the suppose Virgin. Not everyone saw the same things, and witnesses gave widely varying descriptions of the "sun's dance". The phenomenon is claimed to have been witnessed by most people in the crowd as well as people many miles away Some onlookers reported other phenomena, including luminous mist and the showers of flower petals seen around and above the tree during previous visitations
Some explain it as a mass hallucination possibly stimulated by the religious fervor of the crowds expectantly waiting for a predicted sign. Another conjecture is a possible visual artifact caused by looking at the sun for a prolonged period mass . We have other reports and studies of that being done like this
I don't have much interest in so called phenomenons that aren't witness by all now days. In the bible miracles were for a purpose most to give the Almighty God's glory. Even Jesus gave credit for powerful works to the Father. that wasn't done here at any time of the appearances.
Satan and demons on the other hand have done some mighty shows not giving the Father the glory
So if I were a religious person I would question that, who was it really from,, just like they were by many
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Watchtower of Babel -there was such a reel. And I believe it was channel 11.Perhaps you could check with them. Or check the library perhaps they have some "non catholic books" which might have some of the pictures. Or can help you find more information there. I do know there are books both agreeing and disagreeing and why they feel that way. There is a another avenue should you wish. If your happy believing what you do that is fine too. Others may want to pursue it more. Just because you are unaware up certain things or a believer of this doesn't mean this part is a lie. But whatever. It really doesn't concern me much. The poster asked for thoughts on it. I gave mine. I have not looked up this topic for some time but I do remember things on it. Some say it was a fit of autism that cause the twisting or something like that. Which is possible they do twist oddly at times.(I have worked with some) (I look for facts and possibilities--the science part in me.That is possible )
It can be hard sometimes to distinguish between a Godly revelation or a Satanic revelation. I don't have the "gift of spiritual discernment" to distinguish between a Godly or Satanic revelation. There are Godly miracles then there are also Satanic miracles.We were told in the bible of such. So I look for signs such as giving glory to God etc to see if it is of God. Giving glory to God was not done here. How you decide is up to you.
And yes some do say it was from the devil as well as some say from God. Perhaps you haven't seen ALL on it even if you believe you have. As some do say it is more from demons. That is debatable of course..
We are to test all things--that is biblical
Something happened at Fatima, I accept that, something bizarre and supernatural. Which is interesting. And I can see the interest in this from all points of view. Faith, certain religions viewpoint, Atheists, and history. Something happened beyond contemporary Human ability to explain outside of religious and or pseudo scientific dogmas
The forces that perpetrated this event apparently had a benevolent agenda. That we can see.
Many have their own thoughts on the matter
I personally am not fond of those who see Aliens hiding inside every other cloud. But some see it that way. However the existence of paranormal / supernatural beings is very probable in my mind. The bible tells me so. Some call them spirits, some call them Demons, and some call it something else
In interesting post, I hope you do get more answers and views
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some could be medical signs even affecting the mind and/or mentioned fall outside the realm of science to explain
Something unusual happened at Fatima, Rather it be God or not is debatable
I do also find Science and Religion a powerful combo for looking at the mysteries of life. A good way to put that.
The link like many I have read on the subject -and more. If one believes in Satan and his servants as the bible describes -one should also believe he can appear as an Angel of light and fool many and one can be very under his hold but not just only with monstrous signs showing always
Some Creepy signs listed there- Hey? As mentioned there one should look for others signs as well. Another in this case might be asked "Where was the glory for these miracles given to the Almighty God? Just a thought
This question would make a good blog. I'm sure there is an interest there as asked
- Anonymous9 years ago
When you see something so beautiful such as the Mother of God, how can anyone begin to comprehend the feeling? No one, unless you experience it first hand. Those who have not seen such beauty, will automatically disregard it as satanic because it is simply not understand. Fear of the unknown is simply excused by it being evil in nature. How else can it be explained? It is a mystery and mysteries are swept under the carpet as such. There is no evidence whatsoever of these children twisting there heads all around, that is an absolute lie to simply distract the audience and quickly dismiss it as something evil. I have read and seen all the footage regarding this incredible phenomenon and not once was it excused as demonic possession!! If anyone can prove to me with solid evidence that these children lied or was possessed by demons, feel free to email (or actually mail) me with that proof.
@Hadenough- Perhaps the odd twistings were due to the intense feeling of the apparition's presence. Who's to say. Thank you for your input. I will check other sources. I have read several books on demonic possession and have seen many documentaries on this subject matter. The childrens unusual behavior does not, in my professional opinion, fit into the category of demonic possession. Here is an interesting list of changes within a possessed person:
Physical Changes Affecting The Person
1 The person involved may go for long periods of time without blinking their eyes. (Can indicate a neurological condition)
2 The person may appear catatonic. (Can also be a sign of mental illness)
3 The person speaks a language they could not possibly know. (Or speak English with unusual accents.)
4 The person speaks in tongues.
5 The person will become completely rigid where they cannot be moved at all, even by multiple people.
6 Look for changes in the eyes. They may turn almost black like shark eyes.
7 Look for obvious changes in their features.
8 The person may possess inhuman strength.
9 The person may exhibit “precognition,” the ability to predict the future.
10 The person displays “retro cognition,” the ability to know about past events they should not know about.
11 The person may be able to know something about a person they have not met.
12 Their voice may change. It may go from high to low to guttural.
13 They may be able to tell what you are thinking.
14 They may move in some unusual way. For example, they may seem to glide instead of walk.
15 Writing or symbols may appear on the body in the form of welts and scratches. Look especially in areas they could not reach.
16 They may levitate.
17 Hair or eye color may change.
18 There may be multiple voices coming from the person at the same time.
19 Take note if animals appear to be frightened of the person, especially if they begin acting fearful when there are personality changes in the person.
A couple of these symptoms can be related to medical or psychological conditions but most of them fall outside the realm of science.
There is more. Check it out. Interesting material.
@Hadenough- My apologies to you for being a bit critical. Peace. We both do have something in common-Science and religion. Both being very powerful tools to finding out about the mysteries in life.
Source(s): http://fspp.net/warn%20poss.htm - stindeLv 45 years ago
don't be stupid. in the event that they ever open this "cryptic message" it particularly is going to become a gum wrapper or a recipe for sparkling England clam Chowder. Or it particularly is going to likely be a style of Nostradamus like issues this is so open ended it could be study any thank you to instruct something.
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- GenegeeLv 79 years ago
Do you want to know if it really happened, it did. Do you think those kids made it up, they did not. Did you think that the Catholic Church accepted what the children said with open arms, they didn't. Click on you tube and in one of the clips they show a newspaper talking about what happened that one eventful day.
- Anonymous9 years ago
Of course-----I totally believe in the Apparitions of the Blessed Mother in Fatima, Lourdes, Rue de Bac.......I am cautious though not to believe in every Apparition I hear about as I know some can be deceiving------that is why it is so nice to have the Catholic Church who investigates these thoroughly. These play a big part in why I say the Most Holy Rosary and wear the Miraculous Medal.
- РобертLv 79 years ago
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Woe unto Catholics! Our Lady of Fatima is a dirty Satanic hoax perpetrated by the Catholic religion. It is of the Devil and blatant idolatry. Roman Catholics claim that a supernatural event occurred in 1917 in which the “Blessed Virgin Mary” appeared repeatedly to 3 children in Fatima, Portugal.
Supposedly, the Virgin Mary gave a message to the 3 children. The Message of Fatima consists of an alleged number of precise predictions, requests, warnings and promises concerning the Catholic faith and the world, which were conveyed by the Blessed Virgin Mary to 3 shepherd children—Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco—in a series of ghostly apparitions at Fatima, Portugal from May to October 1917. An “apparition” means “the unexpected or unusual appearance of a ghostly figure.” It's a scam, a falsehood, a lie of the Devil, unscriptural in every way.
Many Catholic cultures pass a statue of Our lady of Fatima around from house-to-house throughout the year. It's considered a good-luck charm while in their home. The heathen statue is adorned in the center of their living room, given undivided attention by the family, and it is worshipped, which is the horrible sin of idolatry. Exodus 20:5 says that those who bow and pray to statues HATE God.
Exodus 20:4-5, “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of THEM THAT HATE ME.” I make no apologies to rain on your parade when I speak the TRUTH... God hates the Catholic Church! God loves people, but God hates IDOLATRY.
- YANMLv 79 years ago
She never did. Why should God send anyone to sinful people when it is God that comes' themselves' and is vilified most cruelly for speaking the TRUTH,
- Anonymous9 years ago
she asked that prayers should be said for russia, 6 months later communism was born.