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Believers in Biblical Warnings about Homosexual Acts or Relationships. . .?

For those who LITERALLY ACCEPT the Bible passages about homosexual relations. . .

1) With respect to Leviticus 20:13: ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." DO YOU AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH IN THIS DAY AND AGE? WHY OR WHY NOT?

2) With respect to Leviticus 20:9 "Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head. DO YOU AGREE THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE, PEOPLE WHO CURSE THEIR PARENTS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH. WHY OR WHY NOT?

Many people here on R&S refer to the Bible as their exclusive and sufficient guidance on subjects such as homosexuality.Despite this, few claim to have taken the action commanded by God, even in the face of a clear violation. If you are aware of the violation, then how are you excused from taking action? Are you, by your failure to act, as guilty as those who violate God's Word?

What I hope for are reasoned opinions, reconciled with scripture, which explain how a believer who accepts scripture literally, may introduce the material forbidding certain acts, yet fail to recommend, or take upon themselves, the action commanded by God.

Thanks in advance for all thoughtful responses.

Update:

Thank you all for your kind responses, none of which address the questions actually posed. This may be owed to the fact that no true believer in the Bible has yet responded. I call your attention, again, to the fact that the material from Leviticus tells US to take action. God said YOU will (do whatever). It does NOT say HE will do the job. Thus, if scripture is taken at face value, then waiting for God to act stands in opposition to what he commanded US to do.

Update 2:

Nick and Nora: I "get it" about anachronistic. But people who say they accept the Bible at face value are relying on the OT as their source. THESE are the people who need to explain how they parse out what to observe, and what to ignore. If they say that the NT replaces the OT, then we are left with Paul's opinions about same-sex, and with Jesus's evident lack of interest in it. In which case the question becomes, from whom do you take guidance? Paul, or Jesus?

Update 3:

The Right to Truth: A list of quotes, all well and good. So, is as few words as you can muster, what are the answers to the questions?

Update 4:

I see we have a rather energetic response from Idanre Magus, yet no answer to the questions I have asked. Let me boil it down, a bit more. The commandment specifies the issue (homosexuality, or cursing parents) and it also specifies the action to be taken, which is to dispatch the offenders. This is to be done by US, NOT by God. Why? Because God said so, exactly as it appears in the scripture.

So the question is this: How does the person who takes the Bible literally freely condemn based on God;s law, yet does NOT take the required action? The law is clear: Part 1: Here's the problem; and Part 2: Here's what you do about it. If a man is a homosexual, then he needs to be done way with; if someone curses their parents, then the same. Again, the question: How, with scriptural support, can one lay claim to one part of the law, but NOT the other? This is NOT a trick question, not designed to tease or back someone in a corner. So, what's the answer? The actual answer, to the que

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  • 8 years ago
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    Answer to # 1. No, homosexuals, gays, and lesbians should not be put to death. We don't live under the Old Testament Law in which the moral and civil requirements are both in effect. Instead, as Christians we are to pray for the salvation of those who are lost in their sexual sin. We are to treat them with dignity, as is befitting people who are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26). However, we are not to support legislation that gives them special rights nor are we to support a redefinition of marriage. Furthermore, there is no New Testament admonition to kill homosexuals. In fact, when Jesus dealt with the adulterous woman who, under Old Testament law would've been put to death (Lev. 20:10), Jesus forgave her and told her to go and sin no more (John 8:3-11).

    But then, what do we do about the Bible saying to kill homosexuals?

    "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." (Lev. 20:13, NASB)

    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Lev. 20:13, ESV)

    First of all, there are divisions within the Old Testament Law that are important. Basically, it is categorized into three main sections: Civil, Ceremonial, and Moral. Let's take a quick look.\\Read more: http://carm.org/should-homosexuals-be-put-to-death

    Answer to # 2.) This is one of those "Yes, but…" questions that require serious explaining. Leviticus 20:9 says, “If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him.”

    First, a note on the last part of the verse. “His bloodguiltiness is upon him” basically means that he brought this punishment on himself. He knew what he was supposed to do, and he didn't do it. Also, it is important to remember that the Mosaic Law was for God’s covenant people, Israel, living in a theocracy. The Old Testament Law is not in force today (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 expands on the law:

    If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.

    The context of a passage is crucial to understanding what it means. Taking these two verses by themselves, one could come away with a negative attitude toward God and His Word. In the Leviticus passage, this law is part of a section dealing with egregious sins, sins that would tear a nation and family apart. The trespass in question was not a casual, slip-of-the-tongue curse, but a deep-seated rebellion, an ongoing attitude of hatred that had to be dealt with severely. In other words, the punishment was not for minor infractions but for determined defiance.

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/stone-rebellious-child...

    Source(s): TR
  • Moi
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    Of course not. Thats murder. But God does the destroying now.

    You cite OT law for the ancient Hebrews. It's anachronistic. No longer binding. But see NEW Testamant teaching:

    1Cr 6:9 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

    1Cr 6:10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.

    1Cr 6:11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

  • 8 years ago

    If anyone of us went and carried out the verse in Leviticus, we would be guilty of murder. Just because the Bible says something does not mean our government has chosen to implement that into law.

    Ultimately God will judge each and every one of us for our actions while here on earth.

  • Kjw47
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    Nick and Norah showed you bible truth, its not just homosexuals that are in Gods disfavor-- Yet teachers tell these who practice the sins that they are saved, some baptize babies and tell them they are saved yet when grown up practice those sins. mentioned also at Galations 5:19-21 is another list that teaches one will not enter Gods kingdom( eternal life) --- not a single mortal on this earth knows if another is saved-- run from those religions.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    I believe what the bible says but I am in no place to punish people for things like that. I will allow God to do what he pleases and punish those that need to be punished in the way that he pleases. I also make no assumptions of who shall be punished as I really have no idea.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    I never understood why Christians are obsessed with homosexuals. Why not stealing, lying or cheating? According to their bible those are just as bad. Oh yeah because they do commit those and need a scapegoat to take attention away from them.

  • 8 years ago

    Why is it that you hypocrites always ignore that Jesus Commanded us not to condemn people?

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    Jesus judged that a woman caught in Adultery was indeed a Sinner, but he made the point that no Sinner has the right to pass Death Sentences on other Sinners.

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    Teaching (REDACT) like yourself is tantamount to feeding pigs and dogs. After we have given you what you want, (REDACT) when your masters whistle for you, go go back to them, and when you feel like wallowing in mud, (REDACT).

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    Moses hated the Children of Israel and desired revenge against them (REDAMoses hated the Children of Israel and desired revenge against them (REDAMoses hated the Children of Israel and desired revenge against them (REDAMoses hated the Children of Israel and desired revenge against them (REDACT).

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    Proximity to God causes one's heartfelt wishes to be actualized.(REDACT)

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    Moses desired that the Children of israel suffer at least as he had. However, this led to him spending the same 40 years in the wilderness along with them, AGAIN.

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    The Children of Israel were equally stupid (he was so one of them!) and eagerly accepted every excuse (REDACT) to KILL ONE ANOTHThe Children of Israel were equally stupid (he was so one of them!) and eagerly accepted every excuse (REDACT) to KILL ONE ANOTHThe Children of Israel were equally stupid (he was so one of them!) and eagerly accepted every excuse (REDACT) to KILL ONE ANOTHThe Children of Israel were equally stupid (he was so one of them!) and eagerly accepted every excuse (REDACT) to KILL ONE ANOTHER!

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    This was his eye-for-eye revenge for the Children of Israel not appreciating that he saved the life of one of them.

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    Moses cunningly waited until HIS LAST DAY with them to tell them that DOUBLE-STANDARD JUDGMENT IS THE CORE ABOMINATION The Law was created to terminate!

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    . DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16.

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    An Unbeliever would never realize the full implications of these, nor any other Scriptures.

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    Moses had refrained from telling the Children of israel that EVERY DEATH SENTENCE THEY CARRIED OUT AFFECTED THEM, TOO.

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    Then he ESCAPED, before they could REALIZE that HE HAD ENGINEERED the Deaths of the PARENTS of the people he was talking to!

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    The PRICE of Sinners killing Sinners is FORFEITURE OF EVERLASTING LIFE!

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    Hypocrites are fools who seize excuses to do what they want, even if it adds up to a Sin.

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    The relevance of the Death Penalties to Christians is that we have to know the situations that are "Spiritual Black Holes" where GOD WILL NOT HELP.

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    The Commandments of God are based on GOD'S INNATE BEING; it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANY of the Commandments to CHANGE.

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    God cannot tell us that something is a Sin, today, then, 3,000 years later, tell us that it is OK- as if He were "only joking," before!

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    When GOD has outlawed something, HUMANS are not the only executors of that Law. Everything in existence is signalled tat such an offender is FAIR GAME- because GOD HAS ABANDONED THIS... ACCIRSED THING.

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  • ?
    Lv 6
    8 years ago

    This is important to know.

    That was the old Law Covenant for the nation of Israel only. It was meant to make sins manifest. They did not recognize sin then. They had to be prepared to except Jesus as their redeemer. Jesus ended the mosaic law at his death. Before he died he instituted a new covenant. We live under the law of love and mercy now.

    The Law covenant between Jehovah and the nation of natural Israel was a national covenant. One born a natural Israelite was, by birth, in the Law covenant and was thus in this special relationship with Jehovah. The Law, transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator, Moses, was made operative by a sacrifice of animals (Ga 3:19; Heb 2:2; 9:16-20) The high priesthood passed by descent from Aaron to his sons, Eleazar succeeding Aaron, Phinehas succeeding Eleazar, and so forth.—Nu 20:25-28; Jos 24:33; Jg 20:27, 28.

    The terms of the Law covenant were that if the Israelites kept the covenant they would be a people for the name of Jehovah, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, with His blessing (Ex 19:5, 6; De 28:1-14); if they violated the covenant, they would be cursed. (De 28:15-68) Its purposes were: to make transgressions manifest (Ga 3:19); to lead the Jews to Christ (Ga 3:24); to serve for a shadow of the good things to come (Heb 10:1; Col 2:17); to protect the Jews from false, pagan religion and preserve the true worship of Jehovah; to protect the line of the seed of promise. Added to the covenant with Abraham (Ga 3:17-19), it organized the natural seed-nation of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob.

    The Law covenant extended benefits to others not of natural Israel, for they could become proselytes, getting circumcised, and could receive many of the Law’s benefits.—Ex 12:48, 49.

    On the night before his death, Nisan 14, 33 C.E., when he established the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal, Jesus Christ announced the new covenant, to be validated by his sacrifice. (Lu 22:20) On the 50th day from his resurrection and 10 days after he had ascended to his Father, he poured out the holy spirit, which he had received from Jehovah, on his disciples gathered in an upper room in Jerusalem.—Ac 2:1-4, 17, 33; 2Co 3:6, 8, 9; Heb 2:3, 4.

    The parties to the new covenant are Jehovah, and “the Israel of God,” the spirit-begotten ones in union with Christ. (Heb 8:10; 12:22-24; Ga 6:15, 16; 3:26-28; Ro 2:28, 29) The new covenant is made operative by the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ, the value of which was presented to Jehovah after Jesus’ ascension to heaven. (Mt 26:28) When one is selected by God for the heavenly calling (Heb 3:1), God brings that one into His covenant over Christ’s sacrifice. (Ps 50:5; Heb 9:14, 15, 26) Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the new covenant (Heb 8:6; 9:15) By means of Jesus’ mediatorship of the new covenant, he assists those in the covenant to become part of the real seed of Abraham (Heb 2:16; Ga 3:29) through forgiveness of their sins. Jehovah declares them righteous.—Ro 5:1, 2; 8:33; Heb 10:16, 17.

    These spirit-begotten, anointed brothers of Christ become underpriests of the High Priest, “a royal priesthood.” (1Pe 2:9; Re 5:9, 10; 20:6) These do a priestly work, a “public service” (Php 2:17), and are called “ministers of a new covenant.” (2Co 3:6) These called ones must follow Christ’s steps closely, faithfully, until laying down their lives in death; Jehovah will then make them a kingdom of priests, and will reward them with immortality and incorruption as joint heirs in the heavens with Christ. (1Pe 2:21; Ro 6:3, 4; 1Co 15:53; 1Pe 1:4; 2Pe 1:4) The purpose of the covenant is to take out a people for Jehovah’s name as a part of Abraham’s “seed.” (Ac 15:14) They become the “bride” of Christ, and are the body of persons whom Christ takes into a covenant for the Kingdom, to rule with Him. (Joh 3:29; 2Co 11:2; Re 21:9; Lu 22:29; Re 1:4-6; 5:9, 10; 20:6) The purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “Israel of God” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens.

    Source(s): NWT JW Truths
  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    I love God with everything that I am and he has the same unconditional love for me. He tells me it was wrong. Therefore I know it is wrong.

  • 8 years ago

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