Answer to VERY OLD DIRT's " Does the Bible have a built-in anti-Trinity Doctrine ? THIS IS NOT THE TRINITY DOCTRINE MATTHEW 28:19-20?"?

God Is a Mystery—Is It True?

What you may have heard: “God works in mysterious ways.”

“The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible.”—The Athanasian Creed, describing the Trinity taught by many churches of Christendom.

What the Bible teaches: Jesus said that those “taking in knowledge of . . . the only true God” would receive blessings. (John 17:3) But how can we take in knowledge of God if he is a mystery? Far from concealing himself, he wants everyone to know him.—Jeremiah 31:34.

Of course, we will never know everything about God. This is to be expected because his thoughts and ways are higher than ours.—Ecclesiastes 3:11; Isaiah 55:8, 9.

How knowing the truth helps you: If God is an incomprehensible mystery, then why even try to get to know him? Yet, he enables us not only to comprehend him but also to develop a close friendship with him. God described the faithful man Abraham as “my friend,” and King David of Israel wrote: “The intimacy with Jehovah belongs to those fearful of him.”—Isaiah 41:8; Psalm 25:14.

There is a counterfeit trinity in the bible headed by Satan.

(Rev 20:10) devil + beast + false prophet = Satanic trinity.

Why do the JWs and others say the the trinity is a 4th century pagan idea created by Satan ?

Satan created a trinity of false gods in the book of Revelation 4 centuries before that !

So if we conclude that there is a Satanic trinity in the bible -- then doesn't it mean that Satan has counterfeited a HOLY trinity in the bible ?

Satan and his angels can transform themselves into angels of light (2Cor 11:13-14 ) e.g false apostles of Christ.

Satan can impersonate Christ as the anti-Christ (1John 2:18)

Its clear that Satan has counterfeited the Eternal Godhead (Rom 1:20, Matt 28:19, and 1John 5:7) and has decieved the JWs into believing its a 4th century pagan idea !

Only Jew or gentile, right?

Then compare the Jewish TaNaKh to the xtian 'old' testament. Judaism USED Babylonian mythology as clever parables to teach against Babylonian mythology. Xtians added mythology (weeds) so that it choked the word. Xtians added hell and evil beings and replaced a nation with a mangod whose name honors sus.

Similarly, Muslims further mistranslated the xtian bible and added more evil beings (lilith and jinn), and sexualized heaven for a sexually repressed society. Like Mormons and Jehovah"s witnesses, Islam is a form of xtianity. Like Babylon, the denominations keep adding to the mix.

The teaching on good and evil from a time when people believed in wise snake gods -that is the fall of mankind.

God is personified as terrorizing his enemies, and the enemies fear evil beings of myth.

But, the beginning of wisdom is recognizing your fear is coming from God enforcing his kingdom.

If a day is like a 1000 years.

3 day of bBabylon, 3 days of xtianity.

VEry good no one will see God, after this live some will see father God but only if you stay true.

Father God is in the highest heaven the 3rd heaven way way up there Jesus is at the right hand of God.

Jesus died for our sins, and rose up to set at the right hand of God

God bless all in Jesus loving name Amen.

You comment against w.o.j's answer, "he [Jesus] never denied being God."

Wrong. At John 3:16,18 he unambiguously referred to himself as God's "only begotten son."

You cannot be "begotten" by another person and at the same time BE that person.That is sheer stupidity.

Also, at John 10:36, Jesus clearly stated in response to the Jews accusation, "do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"

Now, you explain to me logically how Jesus' saying "I am God's SON" can be construed as meaning anything other than that.

Let me remind you what you stated: ""he [Jesus] never denied being God."

If you believe that Jesus' words at John 10:36 effectively constitute anything other than a denial that he is God, then you are seriously deluding yourself.

No, trinity comes from the pagan's worship. The Bible is anti-trinity!

Here is what is said about this:

It is certain that, in spite of the popularity of such concepts in the false religions surrounding them, the faithful Jewish people and prophets of the old testament never accepted a three-in-one god. It is true that the unfaithful among the Israelites often borrowed pagan gods, pagan customs, and pagan concepts (including Baal and Astare)

and added them to their God-given religion. But there is no record (scriptural or secular) of a trinity concept even among them.

Historians who study ancient religions know, these doctrines and myths like trinity are derivations of the original ancient Babylonian and Egyptian versions of various divinities with different names applied to them.

Babylonians worshipped a moon-god, a sun-god, and a goddess of fertility and war. And there were many other trinity of gods--this is and was disgusting to Jehovah. AND

Jesus is not God, he is the son of God.

“ Jehovah is a powerful warrior. Jehovah is his name.” Exodus 15:3

"I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else." (Isaiah 42:8)

Deuteronomy 6:4 reads: “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”—not three in one.

Matthew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Matthew 28:19 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.” 1+1+1= 3

John 14:28 and 31 "You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am... 31 But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do."

John 17:3 KJV 3 “ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”

John 17:11 NKJV “Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, in that they may be one as We are.”

1 Timothy 2:5 There is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and Men; The MAN Christ Jesus.…” Holy spirit is Jehovah’s active force that He uses to accomplish his will.

Just this one scripture and different translations all agree:

Philippians 2:5, 6: 

KJ reads: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” 

In NWT the latter portion of that passage reads: “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure [Greek, har·pag·mon'], namely, that he should be equal to God.” 

(RS, NE, TEV, NAB convey the same thought.) 

Jesus said in prayer: “Father, . . . this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:1-3) 

The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later. (Watchtower 11/1/91 p.23) 

Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw “Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit. (See also Revelation 7:10; 22:1, 3.) 

Greek dictionaries are in agreement on the meaning of the Greek word hEN: "...between Jesus and the father is a unity of will and action." Kittel; TDNT vol. I; 405 

The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The majority of N[ew] T[estament] texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” ( Vol. XIII, p. 575)

The New Encyclopædia Britannica observes: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor... in the Old Testament." Micropedia, vol. 11, p. 928.

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Must You Believe in The Trinity To Be Christian?

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazi... 

Ye do err not understanding the scriptures that you may come to the knowledge of truth.. For unto which of the angels said he at any time THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE. and again I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON.

A son is not equal to his Father, neither is a Father equal to his son. Awake O sword and smite the nations. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land two parts shall be cut off and die, but a third shall be left therein.

Turn from you wicked ways and return to me that I may forgive your iniquity and your sins will I remember no more.

i would disagree with you. John 8:42 says that Jesus did not send hiimself, and when address as a Good Master or a good Rabbi, Jefused the statement, saying God is only good. thus in two different verses, among others, he separates himself from Being God, Our heavenly Father. there is a single bible verse which says that God gives Jesus life separately from Him. thus there is a third verse that differentiates Jesus from Heavenly Father.

there are others ! shall i go on?

MATTHEW 28:19-20 is added on by Romans [same with story of Tomas kneeling to Jesus.

BTW,

Matthew 15 ends at 24, the rest are added on.

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there is God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit and they are one in everything *John 17* but no, unlike trinitarians teach, they are not all God. God is the Father and there is no other God.