Why do people who have never studied the laws of thermodynamics try to use them in their arguments?

Disorder isn't increasing. Entropy is increasing. There's a big difference.

I read about thermodynamics, chaos theory, quantum physics, astronomy, cosmology and etc. with practically all of my free time and I consider myself a bit too inexperienced in it to really even argue the concepts.

They're so incredibly complex that even AFTER spending almost all of my time reading and learning about nature, I actually know less than I did when I started.

People who argue on a basis regarding subjects of such complexity simply fail to grasp the actual complexity of it. They share and argue their knowledge without actually thinking about it.

Maybe some people think that big words automatically influence people. Who knows?

One thing I do know for sure is when you try to use a single narrow field of science to explain everything, you will inevitably fail. Creationists like to do this. They take a single piece of science which seems to agree with what they believe and then call it proof. Honestly, how hard is it to see that they're really only trying to validate their own beliefs?

Is that what you call truth?

Because they express powerful concepts that (to the uneducated) seem to apply all over the place.

They also can be summarized in pithy ways that, again, seem to apply to all kinds of non-thermodynamic situations.

You can't get ahead, and you can only break even if you do nothing; as soon as you do anything, you're losing. Sounds like a philosophical point, or a buddhist or zen principle, not thermodynamics. Things are as organized now as they are ever going to be, they are only going to get less organized as time passes; if we apply effort we can increase the organization locally, but only at the cost of more disorganization globally - is that a political philosophy? No it's a law of thermodynamics.

Self organizing complexity is fascinating, and evolution is as well, but of course our closed system includes the sun, which provides more than enough energy to drive all of these reactions without every violating any of the laws.

It's just parroting back stuff they've read on creationist websites. (Or heard from other creationists who've read it on creationist websites.) Creationist websites tend to forget to correct or update themselves when one of their claims is shown to be incorrect, so many of these people are unaware that it's an argument that was successfully refuted a long time ago.

What are they going to do? they can't use accurate science to support their ideas. If they used accurate science, they would have no choice but to accept evolution.

The 2nd law deals with entropy. Entropy is a heat transfer unit. It says nothing about "order" or complexity, unless you are strictly talking heat transfer. Yet they take entropy and apply it to thinks like mutations. And besides that, the 2nd law is a closed system.

the same reason people who have never studied various religions, foriegn policy, et cetera, but still insist on argueing about these issues.

Perhaps if they had actually studied the laws of thermodynamics, they would realize that (1) the Earth is not a closed system; (2) homogeny and equilibrium are not the same thing.

never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

An open mouth is usually connected to a closed mind.

Now, you have to decide, am I talking about you or those you attack?

Obviously you are one of the people who doesn't understand Thermodynamics.

Snowflakes being formed do not violate the 2nd law, because in order to form order in one place (the snowflake) then disorder must increase some other place; thus the overall amount of disorder in the universe is either constant, or increasing, never decreasing.

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Then maybe the real problem is one of communication. I think that passing off sound bytes as argument benefits no one.

rebel I think the fundies were in the hot tub when they came up with this idea because anything this good with groupie love can't be real.

thermal dynamics get it lol

Because stupid people like to use stuff they don't understand in arguments.