God created Jesus to make Jesus convince God that Jesus had to die for our sins, right?

Holy crap! I just basically asked this same question at the end of an answer I just gave on somebody else's questions about something else. (are you still with me?)

I just wish, for once, someone, ANYONE, would give an answer to your questions that made actual sense. If god has infinite power and wisdom and all that, WHY did he have to send his son to earth knowing full well that we were going to murder him in the most horrific way possible?

Why would god have to sacrifice his kid for us? Who are we to be having god making a blood sacrifice for? He's god!! He can flood the world! He can set bushes on fire! He can do all kinds of cool things, but he can't just forgive us for our sins, and just call it even without all the gore?

Who was he trying to impress? Seriously? I can see Jesus being sent here to teach us to be better people, but anything past that makes no sense.

The best part of all is, after allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that, what do we do? Fight over who's Jesus religion is the right one. Fight over who the REAL Christians are. Wage war over him and his son. Slaughter innocent people in their names. Crusades, anyone?

He must have saw this coming.... what an butt-head.

UPDATE: I kinda like Billy's answer, but it's still doesn't seem logical.

God doesn't just make up rules and do anything He pleases. He's holy and good, and the rules for what is and is not good could never have been otherwise. God told the early humans that their only happiness lies in Him, and any other choice would lead them to death and misery. That's not something God could have made otherwise if He felt like it- it's just a simple description of the nature of reality. . . sort of like telling someone that if they jump off a tall building they'll die. But, they chose to go their own way and do their own thing anyway, and, just as He told them, they suffered the consequences for that. God wouldn't be righteous or holy if he simply overlooked that sin and let them do anything they pleased. The penalty for sin is death, and if God is to be just, then that debt must be paid, somehow. But God, being the loving creator that He is, wasn't willing to let that be the end of it. He was willing to pay that price Himself, so that we could be saved from hell. Because if we don't pay the price, then somebody surely must do it in our place. Jesus could do that for us because He never sinned, and therefore he didn't owe a sin debt at all. It's sort of like if you commit a crime and get thrown in jail. The other prisoners are not going to be able to help you post bail. Only somebody who hasn't commited a crime and is therefore not in jail himself will be able to come bail you out. So our sin-debt was paid by Jesus' death, and because of that, we can be right with God again. The righteousness of God is satisfied, and His love for us is proved at the same time.

My head just exploded! No, it doesn't make sense. And if you think about it, it really illogical. So, Jesus is God, he's also God's son, but they are the same. And Jesus died so he can take our sins, WHY??? A God can forgive us anyway, why would he need his own son's blood for that? And again, he and his son are both the same thing, so God also died. And reincarnated. Every time I think about it, I get lost.

I guess it's one of those Goddidit things. You just have to accept it with faith and forget logic, because if you try to find logic, you have an exploded head like me!

Jesus is God, not a created Person. According to God's plan, Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. If u reject Jesus' death for our sins, there is no heaven for u but hell only.

What in the world? I'm not even sure as to where to begin addressing this post of yours. It has so many errors that it will just take too long in order to address them. First and foremost we must understand [your position or the position of the person who told you this story] as to why do you or this person think that a created being such as an angel {Michael} is synonymous with Jesus who is refered to by his emissaries as the "word of G-d" and also in regards to the verses you have quoted how does it give us the indication that it is alluding to this idea, it does not allude to Micheal being the same as Jesus at all. This being one of our biggest hurdles in order for us to correctly address this kind of deceptive doctrine of yours so that you may understand the magnitude of it's error, but please continue reading! Next, according to your beginning statements "If Jesus was created by Jehovah" , Huh? You're showing us that you or this person who relayed this information to you has an issue in the way of understanding scriptures {to put it mildly} with the word of G-d, who [is] synonymous with his anointed=Yeshua which has always been with G-d because the word is G-d. LOL I must be melting some peoples brains out by now but I assure you that those who are his followers understand exactly what I have written. So, how can you say that G-d created the word if the word and G-d are one and has always been with him {G-d}. Without him nothing that was created was created, but all things were created by him thru him and for him? Search out these questions which I have posted and it will help you perhaps on the path to correctly interpreting the message of his emissaries and stay away from unsubstantiated fables which are not written.

Well little man (that's not insulting, that is how I address my 7 year old grandson)

God made the people. God gave the people some rules. People broke the rules.......a bunch of times. God told the people, "I will give you another chance" and told them again what to do. Still the people just could not follow the rules.

It is very much like your class when the teacher leaves the room. The children play instead of minding the teacher and doing their work.

Then God said, the rules are too hard for my people to follow.

I will do one great big thing for them, and they will have only one rule to remember.

I will send MY own son, Jesus, He will be their friend. He will take the spanking for everything, everybody ever did wrong. The spanking will be so bad that He will die.

BUT, I am GOD, so I will make Jesus live again because I love Him so much. Then the people will have one great big rule...........LOVE JESUS

You didn't look up squat...God does not need anything, a cardinal Christian teaching, about Creation and Redemption.

Sin is an offense against an infinite Holy God. Man can not make it up or undo it by anything he can do (first thing you'll dispute) but God taking on human nature can. God could have let things be. But He took on our cause in the way He freely decided ( second thing -- but how do you know). If you accept what he did and renounce further rebellion,fine, If not Hell is only the ratification of YOUR choice.

Nicene Creed (extract)

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made,

one in Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us men and for our salvation

he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

he was born of the Virgin Mary,

and became man.

For our sake he was crucified

under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered, died, and was buried.

On the third day he rose again

in fulfillment of the Scriptures;

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory

to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end.

Now, believing aside, you know.

Ok... since God knows ALL about everything and everyone...

God took all the sins of all the people ever committed and yet to be committed and placed them on Jesus Christ. Then Jesus died on the cross putting to death all the sin of all the world.

Then, Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, proving that His sacrifice was accepted and we are free.

God needed that sacrifice because of His holiness--He can not allow sin in His holy presence.

Now whoever believes that Jesus died for them and receives Him as Savior will be forgiven and seen as 'clean' before the presence of God.

If I may make a suggestion.. the book called 'Story' by Steven James does an excellent job explaining all of this in a way that may be easy for you to understand..

Sin separates man from God. When man sinned there was a separation. Understand that? There had to be an atonement, an at-one-ment, bringing man back into harmony with the Creator. Jesus Christ was willing to come out of eternity, become man, take the sins of humanity upon his body and nail those sins to the cross. This is why He is the only door to salvation. He restored the link between man and God. We now clothe ourselves in His righteousness not our own. For he was without sin.

Well that isnt even close to what I believe, being mormon, but when you put it that way it does make me wonder how in the world other christians can claim mormons have crazy belief while not looking at their own beliefs, lol.

The purpose of life is to progress and learn and become more like our father in heaven. Since we are his literal offspring we have the same divine potential. The only way to truly progress is to know opposition. We needed opposition on the earth so we could become more like God. Heaven is progression. It is becoming like God. That is a lot of knowledge and power and we need to prove ourselves worthy of that power so we need to also be tested.

One of the rules is that no unclean thing can be in this highest degree of heaven because it is where we are meant to become perfected. Since we will all sin and dont have the ability to be perfect on earth, a savior was sent to make up for those sins. It is once again the concept of opposition. The justice of God declares that no unclean thing can live in that highest degree of glory and progression but then he counters that with mercy. He sent down a savior to satisfy the requirements of that justice by letting someone else take upon those sins for us.

If God was not just his plan would not be perfect. If he was not merciful none of us would ever live with him again. Again, opposition and balance in all things to create a plan that satisfies both and allows us still to control our own destiny thru our own choices and acheive our highest possible potential as children of God.

I think the problem a lot of people have with this question is that they assume God can just do whatever he wants whenever. I believe God follows a higher law and that if he just waved his arms and declared anything was possible then it would result in chaos and not a perfected being or a perfect plan. God is not chaos. The plan is not about making us all happy all of the time. It is about perfecting ourselves. Just because God can do whatever he wants doesnt mean he would. That would mean no order, no justice, no perfection.