Christians - Please read this article and then tell me if you still think that Jews 4 Jesus is on the up-n-up?

This Jews for Jesus BS really pisses me off. There is no way a Jew can be a christian...it contradicts itself. These messianic "Jews" are nothing more than fundies that are trying to undermine Jewish principles...I mean how on earth can someone call themselves a Jew if they worship christ? It makes no sense. Don't get me wrong it's not like I hate someone just for worshiping Jesus...it's just they need to do so under the correct "label". Calling themselves Jews creates alot of confusion for those of us who don't know much about Judaism...Jews have suffered enough over the centuries without having their identity taken too.

It's all very decietful!

(((Paperback Writer)))

J4J & the Messies are deceitful blasphmeous liars claiming falsely to be Jewish in an attempt to lure Jews into thinking Jesus is the saviour..If those people choose believing that fine,but their definately not Jewish!!

Plushy...Very good question & I'm still waiting for a Xtian reply..Am Jewish as most know :-) I'd like to know if the NT approves of lying in order to convert others to their beliefs??

Really PO'd,

Orthodox Jew

Here's what happened when a Jewish student DID get thoroughly deceived by a Messianic group:

Meet Jonathan. He was away at University, in his first year, studying Politics. When a fellow student, Suzanne, befriended him, he was delighted. He knew, of course, that she was Jewish - well, after all, she was wearing a Star Of David!

After a few weeks, Suzanne invited Jonathan to go with her to 'synagogue'. Not the one that most Jewish students at that particular University preferred but another, 'more friendly' synagogue. Jonathan said yes, and didn't give it another thought.

And on the following Friday night, he was impressed by the warm reception he got at this 'temple'. Everyone was smiling. Welcoming. The synagogue looked like every other synagogue he'd ever attended. The 'Rabbi' was charismatic, and gave an interesting and humorous service. The kiddush was lovely. Jonathan went home feeling great.

And so when, a few weeks later, Suzanne and some of the other members of the temple suggested to Jonathan that he take a look at a wonderful 'Hebrew scripture', he shrugged and figured, 'Where's the harm?'.

Suzanne explained that the scripture was called the 'Brit Chadasha'.

She gave Jonathan some photocopied pages from it and he glanced through them. They were fairly interesting. Prettily written. He found himself impressed with the emphasis on kindness and love that appeared throughout the pages. Jonathan had never been very into religion - sure, he was Jewish, but he wasn't 'observant'.

But Suzanne was keen to discuss the scriptures and Jonathan soon found he was enjoying their chats. By the time the name 'Yeshua' came up, Jon wasn't even bothered. He liked this new form of 'messianic' Judaism that he'd been introduced to.

The problem? 'Brit Chadasha' is Hebrew for NEW TESTAMENT.

Jonathan had been studying the Christian bible without even knowing it. He was not now a 'messianic' Jew. He was now well on the way to being a practising CHRISTIAN. And today? He is one. And his dearest wish: to convince his family to also 'know Christ'.

And on the internet, Messianics are having great success. On debate forums across America and the UK, they are busy representing 'judaism' and convincing millions of well meaning non Jews that 'real jews DO embrace Jesus!'

Fortunately in some forums - such as Yahoo Answers - there are genuine Jews who are countering this deception. Even then, they come under attack from the Messianics who accuse the Jews of 'discrimination'. In other words: Jews are being told they have to accept a Christian evangelical group as part OF Judaism - or be guilty of 'discrimination'!

Already, Messianics have been hijacking Jewish festivals. At Pesach, hundreds of thousands of Messianics celebrate 'the real passover', in which Jesus is the 'sacrificial lamb'.

In short: Messianics are slowly but surely taking everything that Judaism holds as sacred, and Christianising it.

I am not a Christian, but being a Jew I would like to say this article absolutely makes me sick. And of course they are not recognized by Jews as a legitimate stream of Judaism. Because it's not Judaism. It's Christianity. As always when I read article's like this, I am appalled.

You tell them PaperBack!!!

These Christians who disguise themselves as Jews should drop to their knees and beg forgiveness from their Jesus for the lies and the deceptive practices they have been engaging in. They then should formally change their name to "messianic Christians" and leave Jews alone!

This is what I think;

Mankind will do what mankind will do.

I see only the work of those who love all at all times.

To continue to set oneself apart or above others you do mankind and yourself a disservice.

Do yourself a favor: Live, Love and Laugh a little more, let Our Creator worry about the rest.

And here's another piece about the APPALLING lies this Christian group are telling, taken from http://www.ajewwithaview.com/

Something strange is happening in London.

Specifically, in areas where Jews live.

Take last week. 15 year old Rachel heard a knock at the door and, through the spy hole, saw three Orthodox Jews standing there. Feeling perfectly safe, she opened the door.

Greeting her with warm smiles, they explained they were from the 'Beth Shalom' synagogue. Rachel didn't know of it but hey, there are plenty of synagogues in London. They were in the neighbourhood doing 'outreach' work and they were keen to learn how they could engage Jewish teenagers and make synagogue more 'relevant'. Might she spare them ten minutes of her time?

Knowing her mother was due home shortly, Rachel invited her fellow Jews in and made some tea. And for almost forty minutes, they enjoyed a lively conversation about Judaism, life in north west London, and sundry other topics. The men spoke Hebrew. They quoted from the Torah. They were great company.

And then one of these Orthodox Jews asked Rachel what she thought about Hell.

Rachel knew that in Judaism there IS no 'hell'. Baffled, she asked 'Chaim' to elaborate.

Leaning forward with a look of great concern on his face, Chaim asked if Rachel worried about her parents. After all, surely she didn't want them to spend 'eternity rotting in hell'? And what about her six year old sister? Chaim went on to explain that this was just what would happen - if Rachel's family failed to 'find Christ'.

So Rachel now found herself, bizarrely, with three Orthodox Jews who were preaching Christianity! Increasingly uneasy, she asked Chaim which movement within Judaism he represented.

'Messianic', came the beaming response, a 'new group in which you can remain Jewish AND still know Jesus.'

And while this did not enlighten Rachel her mother knew precisely what it meant when she arrived home ten minutes later and threw 'Chaim' and his friends out.

You see, these 'orthodox jews' were not Jews at all.

They were Christian missionaries.

Or, as they prefer to be known, 'messianic jews'.

Confused?

You're in good company.

The Messianic 'jewish' movement has been steadily expanding across North America over the past decade. Despite claiming to be 'jewish', it is a purely Christian movement. It was founded by evangelical Christians, and it is funded 100% by evangelical Churches. In short, the Messianic movement is about as 'jewish' as a plate of pork chops.

But don't dismiss them as some 'fringe' cult. While they may have started that way, Messianics are managing to convert thousands of naive young Jews every year from Judaism to Christianity. The most aggressive and infamous Messianic group is 'jews4jesus', but that is far from being the only group out there.

What is it that Messianics want? Simple. The same thing that Christianity has wanted for some 2000 years: for Jews to accept Jesus as 'son of god', as 'messiah' and as 'saviour'.

And when all their previous efforts to convert Jews failed miserably, evangelists in America rebranded themselves brilliantly. Now they call their Churches 'synagogues', they address their preachers as 'rabbi', and they themselves are not 'Christians' but rather 'messianic jews'.

Their target audience: naive young Jews, who fall for the line that Messianics represent a 'new' jewish group which recognises Jesus.'

And right now in the UK, USA, Canada, and Australia, Messianics are doing a hell of a lot more than just knocking on the doors of Jewish homes. For they are also very busy convincing the entire NON Jewish world that they, the Messianics, are in fact the 'real jews'.

Rachel was lucky. The approach made to her was clumsy and ultimately, doomed to fail. But numerous young Jewish students away from home for the first time have been lured into Christianity without even realising it.

More Christian deception, I wonder how many more religions will be absorbed- they've inhaled the Pagans, now they're after Jews. Christian morality indeed!

They are not on the up and up for sure. Some might think they are but they were like founded on lies and deceit so they are not on the up and up

A lamb goes to the slaughter without knowing that it is about to be killed for sacrifice. But the suffering servant, the Passover Lamb, went to the slaughter for the supreme sacrifice of himself both knowingly and willingly (he paid for our sins because he was sinless !).

Everybody can kill, but NO MAN can go to death without offering any resistance.