Atheist: SERIOUSLY – How would you address this SECOND of many prophecies?

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Now, the previous question ones made claim that the book was written AFTER the event. That is not what EVEN “smart ones” say. However, let’s go to Isaiah:

Isaiah 44:27-45:2 the One saying to the watery deep, ‘Be evaporated; and all your rivers I shall dry up’; 28 the One saying of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd, and all that I delight in he will completely carry out’; even in [my] saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’ and of the temple, ‘You will have your foundation laid.’” 

45 This is what Jehovah has said to his anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue before him nations, so that I may ungird even the hips of kings; to open before him the two-leaved doors, so that even the gates will not be shut: 2 “Before you I myself shall go, and the swells of land I shall straighten out. The copper doors I shall break in pieces, and the iron bars I shall cut down.

Now, “Dead Sea Scrolls” date Isaiah’s writings to the time Scriptures say, 732 B.C.E. So that logic does not stand. Almost 200 years in advance, the Bible says that CYRUS will invade Babylon. Not only that he will succeed, EXACTLY how he will do so. 

The “water deep” being evaporated matches up what history books have written that Cyrus diverted the river Euphrates and made it across. But another problem arose, the gate. What would be opened?

Scripture again says at 45:1 that  “even the gates will not be shut”. Now once inside, would there be much of a struggle?

Jeremiah 51:30 “The mighty men of Babylon have ceased to fight. They have kept sitting in the strong places. Their mightiness has run dry. They have become women. Her residences have been set on fire. Her bars have been broken.

Additionally, he will have the temple rebuilt!  

2 Chronicles 36:22, 23 And in the first year of Cyrus the king of Persia, that Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, Jehovah roused the spirit of Cyrus the king of Persia, so that he caused a cry to pass through all his kingdom, and also in writing, saying: 23 “This is what Cyrus the king of Persia has said, ‘All the kingdoms of the earth Jehovah the God of the heavens has given me, and he himself has commissioned me to build him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever there is among YOU of all his people, Jehovah his God be with him. So let him go up.’”

Proof that the Bible is real is what I hear all the time. When provided with something tangible, will you accept it?

Brigalow Bloke · Accepted Answer

Any Biblical writing that is vague enough can be claimed to be prophetic by suitable lying.  You can lie about the actual event, you can lie about the meaning of the so called prophecy or you can put the prophecy in the book after the events have happened. Very easy if the book is transcribed by hand and there is only one copy, or just a few.  The Jehovah's Witnesses get away with this even though there are multiple printed copies of their earlier material.  They just deny it existed and the mugs believe them.  

Your claims that some book was written on a particular date are not worth anything. You have no evidence that it was not changed by pious frauds either.  

Now explain why there have been many hundreds of Christian prophecies of the second coming or apocalypse over the past 2000 years and they have all failed.

Poopyface McGee · Answer

So what if you try and reduce the Bible and see it as nothing more than Aesop's Fables???

Actually Aesop's Fables is at least more entertaining...  The Bible is kind of like the Fox and the Scorpion...  Despite the Scorpions good intentions, he still stings the fox while crossing the river drowning them both.

Just like how the Bible has a few good ideas and a lot of bad ones.

Anonymous · Answer

Ah...I see you're lying for Jesus.

The dead sea scrolls date to, at latest, about 150 BCE.

Nothing in them dates Isaiah to 732 BCE.

Once again, you have absolutely zero material that convincingly dates any scriptures to before a few centuries BCE, and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary -- including plenty of linguistic evidence that indicates addition of material within the same chapter of a given book.

But you would know this if you had ever studied the significant breadth of biblical archaeology, instead of just making random assertions.

Edit -- repeating your fallacious information in "additional details" is not the same as providing a source for your assertions.  It's just reasserting while "shaking your head"

Anonymous · Answer

The new testament was written after the old. It's easy to fulfill the prophesies when you have what you need to do it.

I have a prophesy that a great war will be waged within 200 years. Let's see if I am a god.

Anonymous · Answer

Building a canal to divert water is not the same thing as making them "evaporate". Hell, it's not even impressive.

Anonymous · Answer

So what about the Nostradamus prophecies that came true?

Does that make you believe in Nostradamus' body of work?

No?

Then maybe you can understand why atheists don't care for yours.

Anonymous · Answer

try as you might, you won't find bibles in the NONfiction section.

and it's funny you have to interject ("translate") things to fit your "argument".


i give you a B- for effort

lola · Answer

How is any of this tangible evidence?  It's something someone wrote down, with no corroborating evidence.

dervish · Answer

I don't consider writings to be sufficient proof of gawds. Where's your gawd? Have it show itself.

Ball Python · Answer

-The Bible is true!
-How do you know?
-It says so in the Bible! Look!
-*facepalm*

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