Wiccans and other Religious Witches; what do you think of traditions who call their God Lucifer?

With the sudden flood of books and interest in Wicca/Paganism/the Occult, there was a brief possibility that it could enjoy mainstream acceptance, or at the very least, tolerance. It seemed practical at the time to be apologetic.

The reason I say that is many disturbed people, like Charles Manson, Son of Sam, and others, made the occult or anything that looked like it terrifying in the minds of the mainstream population, whether those impressions were based in reality or not.

To come along in the 60's or 70's after those individuals and say, "I worship Lucifer, Satan, or a Horned God" could have gotten you hauled off to the nut house, jail, or worse. In the 90's and 00's, as Wicca peaked in popularity, I think people were cognizant of that history. Couple that with the Satanic panics of the 80's, you just couldn't be too glib. It seems like things have calmed down now, or you wouldn't have shows like Charmed and Harry Potter - you would still have Hammer horror films that prey on that fear.

There was a time when I wanted mainstream acceptance, and I bought into apologetics hook line and sinker. But now I realize that if this was a path that everyone could embrace, it wouldn't be the same. It is a path for seekers, not followers. So my current stance on apologetics is, hell with 'em.

So I'm all for Luciferians, Horned God worshipers, and Satanists. It's not for everyone, and it's better that way. ;)

People can call their gods whatever they like. Who am I to say what their god wants to be called? Is it politically incorrect? Yes, but I hate political correctness. If they believe that is the name of their god - for whatever reason - they should use it.

I find it sad that the fundementalists are so eager to pick at other people's religion that they freak out when someone uses a name like Lucifer. No matter how someone describes their god, if they call him Lucifer it must be devil worship.

And while I disagree with you on the origin of the name Lucifer, I agree that associating him with Satan or the Devil is completely non-Biblical, which makes the arguments even more absurd.

Well first off, Lucifer is not found anywhere in the bible. Satan being Lucifer is a church myth that began with the Catholic Church. Funny how many Christians reject Catholicism yet still hold onto their dogmas. Lucifer was a Roman deity hence the Latin name Lucifer. All angelic entities end in El and not Er so Lucifer being an archangel would be impossible. Some people should read "The Power of Myth."

That being said, whatever floats someone's boat is cool with me.

I think Lucifer is a beautiful name. I see it as being a powerful name, yet very gentle.

There's the obvious that Lucifer means 'Light Barer', but what Xian don't know is "Christ" comes from a title given to Horus: "KRST" (this gives us all the variations too; Kristna, Kristy, Khrestus, Christ etc) and this actually translates to mean pretty much the same as Lucifer.

I don't think Pagans should stop using it just because Xians have corrupted it. We use their deity names as cuss words, doesn't stop them from praying to them.

Frig is now used as a cuss, even though she is still worshiped. She even has a day of the week named after her.

Bugger them. Lucifer rocks, and I've worked very sucessfully with his Daughter.

I study Luciferian Witchcraft, but I don't believe any of the gods to be real, I use their sigils as spells. Lucifer is in fact not in the original bible or Torah. Lucifer is a Roman God, I guess Christians wanted to demonize Roman and other Pagan Gods by making them their Satan.

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Why don't you read a bit more into Devil Worshipping, Theistic Satanism and also polytheism then you can decide if your God is the Christian Devil.

To each his own. It would be perfectly wonderful if everyone would quit "assuming" that this deity means this. I'm sure a lot of Christians would get a little defensive if I started running around saying their God is the god of car washes and can openers without any solid proof of what I'm declaring. And I'm talking academic proof here... not the kind that comes from the book I believe from. If they'd just get some educated information before they started bashing our gods and goddesses the world would be a MUCH better place to live in.

You make a very good point. To conver the pagans the christians took pagan ideas and symbols and converted them into their religion so as to convert more fallowers. Th christmas tree, christ being born in the winter, the easter egg, halloween, I could go on...so of course they're going to demonize the very gods that were once worshipped by the pagan people as well. I am not bashing on christians here, im just stating the facts...I mean why is they have the right to call theirs the ONE true religion and all others are wrong and shall burn for their beliefs, when their beliefs were originally Pagn beliefs?

The true name for the christian devil that they call Lucifer is actually relay called Luscious (Lucifer is a biblical misprint)

That being so Lucifer is not the evil one that Christians claim him to be.

Point being : Christians will distort facts in order to prove their point ,,,,,I wonder what Christians say about the Lesser Keys of Solomon,,,,or for that matter the Kabul

It really only encourages those whom are ignorant in their own religion anyway, sweet. I personally don't worship Lucifer, so it's sort of a moot point from me...

BUT.

Those whom do not want to learn, only accuse, do indeed try to find a grasp within that namesake. They cannot look beyond their own religion to stop and go 'hey... maybe this exsisted before'.

After all, everyone named John is obviously the same person, you know?

Edit: Oh, my. I think I love you a little bit.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Did you know at one point the unicorn was a symbol for Jesus? All purity, love, affection, hope and light. The horn pointed toward heaven, etc, etc. Then out of nowhere, they decided, since the beast was horned, that it was a messenger of their 'satan' and drove it from their own books. Somehow a creature of innocence was turned into a vicious beast.

Christianity has a very long history of disliking creatures with horns-bulls, unicorns, dragons, goats, deer, etc. They all perceive this to be something evil... including the Horned God.

Perhaps christians are merely terrified of being horn-y? ;)

Like Stregheria? I've read Aradia. Everyone should know now! Lucifer is NOT Satan. Lucifer is an ancient Roman, and modern God of Light... not an "advesary" of Yahoo-whee or Jesus at all.