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Could someone explain how "works" is dismissed as unnecessary when seen in view of this passage of scripture?

Matthew 7:21

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Clearly this suggests that just by calling out Christ's name or saying that you believe in him is not enough to be saved, but you need to DOETH the will of God the Father.

Add that with James 2: 14-18, 20

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The doctrine of claiming that there is nothing a person can do to remove their salvation after saying some words, however sincere, is false. This vain and foolish teaching has lead many good people to commit many sins. There are a few scriptures that support this notion when read out of context. It amazes me that people really believe this, considering the many times that our Savior's words, and words of His prophets contradict these lies.

    One of the reasons that they can believe such nonsense is because their teachers have convinced them that the Old Testament is obsolete because New Testament contains higher laws than the Law of Moses. The Savior Himself quoted the OT on many occasions. Did He believe His word was obsolete? He came to fulfill, (i.e. complete), not destroy the law.

    They also read watered-down translations (AKA versions) of the King James Bible, in which these true teachings have been removed or changed. Paul spoke of the last days when he said that people would not endure sound doctrine, but would be turned to fables, and that they would heap teachers unto themselves. (See 2 Timothy 4:3)

    They have been taught that they deserve a spot in the same eternal mansion as the Christians through the ages who were persecuted or killed for Christ's sake. John compared such fair-weather-friend Christians to "lukewarm" water, and said that Jesus would spew them out of His mouth. (See Rev. 3:15-20)

    There are many Christians who have tacitly refused to believe this devilish doctrine. They say things like "A true Christian would never do such and such," or "If they do such and such they were never really saved." But these good, faithful Christians do not truly understand what they are being taught.

    Here are two scriptures quoting our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, which destroy this false doctrine.

    Matt. 24: 13

    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    Mark 13: 13

    13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    There are many more.

    The parable of the 10 virgins was about those who looked forward to the return of their Savior, not the world vs. believers. Only those who had filled their lamps with oil by their faithful obedience, were saved.

    These are sharp words, but there are many who are being lead carefully to hell by this one hugely false doctrine. I have seen members of my extended family who have committed great sins (adultery, fornication, dishonesty), all the time believing that they were going straight to the arms of Jesus the minute they died. Ironically, these same relatives believed people who lived honorable lives filled with service to others are going to hell because the did not say The Words. They were deceived. Maybe this is why I have chosen to use such strong words.

    Fortunately, all men (and women) who have been deceived by false doctrines will be taught the true gospel in Spirit Prison, and be given a chance to turn from their sins and come to Jesus with full purpose of heart. (See 1 Peter 3:19, KJV)

    I know that we gain Salvation through the blood of Christ AFTER all we can do. All God asks of us is for us to do our best, and salvation is assured. I thank God for the gift of His Son, Jesus Christ, the only name through whom we can be saved FROM OUR SINS, not IN our sins.

  • 1 decade ago

    First of all, you really need to look into a different version of the Bible than the KJV (and I don't mean the NKJV). Second, keep this line of thought up. This idea that "works" don't matter comes from some misinterpreted pauline theology. Paul said that it was not by the law, but by faith that we are saved. People have read this to mean that all we have to do is believe and suddenly we are Christians. When in fact what Paul was talking about was a direct statement against the idea that the Torah was the only way to salvation (remember Peter refusing to eat pork after Jesus had died and then he had that vision that it was ok? This is what Paul is addressing). It was a very specific statement against a very specific Jewish tradition. Of course then Christians read Paul's words to say we are saved by faith alone and then spend their days talking about what is a sin and what isn't. Funny how this act is pretty much a direct contradiction to what Paul was trying to emphasize.

    When you really look into what it means to have faith you will find that faith turns out to be a very tacit thing rather than a simple thought.

    Edit: Also there is some great theological work done by Michael Polanyi (more philosophical) and also Lesslie Newbigin that suggest that in thought we should not separate faith and action. their work suggests that in fact faith is action. This is why I said faith is tacit.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    The Pharisees claim that picking grain and rubbing it in the hands to eat is harvesting and threshing. But their strict interpretation of what constitutes work has made the Sabbath burdensome, whereas it was meant to be a joyous, spiritually upbuilding time. So Jesus counters with Scriptural examples to show that God never purposed such an unduly strict application of His Sabbath law. Jesus says that when David and his men were hungry, they stopped at the tabernacle and ate the loaves of presentation. Those loaves had already been removed from before God and replaced by fresh ones, and they were ordinarily reserved for the priests to eat. Yet, under the circumstances, David and his men were not condemned for eating them. Providing another example, Jesus says: “Have you not read in the Law that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple treat the sabbath as not sacred and continue guiltless?” Yes, even on the Sabbath the priests carry on butchering and other work at the temple in preparing animal sacrifices! “But I tell you,” Jesus says, “that something greater than the temple is here.” Admonishing the Pharisees, Jesus continues: “If you had understood what this means, ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless ones.” Then he concludes: “For Lord of the sabbath is what the Son of man is.” What does Jesus mean by that? Jesus is referring to his peaceful Kingdom rule of a thousand years. For 6,000 years now, humankind has been suffering laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil, with violence and war being the order of the day. On the other hand, the great Sabbath rule of Christ will be a time of rest from all such suffering and oppression. Matthew 12:1-8; Leviticus 24:5-9; 1 Samuel 21:1-6; Numbers 28:9; Hosea 6:6.

  • Mike B
    Lv 5
    1 decade ago

    The whole faith, works, grace relationship confuses people. But if you take thing in their proper order the result is simple. First is obviously faith but faith without works is dead. So we do what we can. But are we saved by our "dead works"? Obviously not, No matter what we do, no matter how good we are we can never "earn" the divine gift, we can never successfully obey the commandment "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect". So why bother? That is the kicker. And here is why. It is when an obedient servant of God wears themself out in the attempt, when they find their side of the gap between human capacity and divine requirement. There into that gap flows grace. That gap is where miracles occur. So that is the choice. Sit on your lazy fat butt and be saved, be rescued. Your salvation is secure. You are only denying your self access to the miracles, to the presence of God. No biggie, you'll be fine.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Faith alone, without works is dead. The only place in the entire bible the words faith alone are found together and it is telling us about good works. We are required as Christians to perform works of christian charity. Our faith is built on the concept of loving and helping our fellow man.The entire protestant idea of works is a twisted interpretation of Pauls letter to the Romans. He told the Jews in Rome that works of THE LAW would not save them. He was talking about the rabbinical law. Sabbaths, new moons full moons, dietary restrictions and circumcision etc.etc. He was not talking about the good works our Lord and the Apostles told us to do. And no, we do not believe that we can Work our way into Heaven.

  • jrrose
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Both are required. James and Paul had a lengthy debate on this. Both gave their reasons why it should be one or the other. But, the conclusion was that they acknowledged that Both were equally important and thus required.

    Where people err, is when they only read from either James' or Paul's account, without reading the conclusion. If you only take 1 verse from James, it will imply 'works.' If only from Paul, it implies just 'faith'. These are merely their opening opposing views. In the end, it was both.

    Source(s): Agnostic
  • 1 decade ago

    If you are saved, you will do the will of your Father. Eventually, depending on how Jesus transforms you. Jesus is 'author and finisher of our faith'. If you pray for someone, you have done the will of your Father.

    But the person who says they are good, and give money to the poor and wonderful things but have not been saved, their work has been for themselves now and not for the Kingdom of God for the glory of God.

    Do not confuse being saved with faith. Saved is saved and secure in the hand of Jesus and cannot be plucked away. Faith is what you do in your life with the light of the new heart given to you through Jesus Christ. Works does not require faith. And without faith can you do work of prayer for example?

    Faith is expectation of the unseen.God is Love.One example in real life: I will give money to poor who come up at a red light to ask for food money. Recently, I thought from now on to make the person and not me accountable for what they did with that money, whether they ate, bought alcohol or whatever. So now when I give the money $3-5 whatever I might have-I say "I want you to know this money came to you from Jesus Christ."At that point, my faith tells me that I am out of the picture-the person's relationship with Jesus will determine the use of the money. BTW, if someone says they are hungry it is not for me to say "You dont look hungry." or "You look like an alcoholic, I will be wasting money on you." No. Faith says 'give first' (which is a work).

    I think the whole thing is that if you have faith, then you are continuing on the work of Jesus Christ, in the world. If you claim to have Jesus but you dont love enough to do anything for anyone in the name of Jesus(and not your own-if at all-) then you have not made outward manifest of Christ in you. The Bible never contradicts itself. It is a whole, and to understand one concept, you must get the entireity of that concept (however many scriptures). The Holy Spirit helps to reveal what the Word of God is saying-and to you-.

  • 1 decade ago

    Works are dismissed as far as salvation. We are saved by faith apart from works as Paul said. It's very simple; When a person is saved they receive the Holy Spirit. I have never seen a Christian that didn't have good works. The only failures I have seen in this regard were people who I thought were Christians in name only and did believe they were saved by works. Their works were bare, as if the Spirit wasn't there.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Works is an important part of being saved. The Bible says, "God is not partial for in every nation the man that FEARS him and WORKS righteousness is acceptable to him."

    "Just as the spirit apart from the body is dead....so faith apart from works is dead."

  • 1 decade ago

    I think that do be "saved" works are not necessary.

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    However, "living" the Christian life with just "faith" and little works is not very productive.

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