Proposition 8 supporters and sympathizers: a fun weekend question!?

dont try to convince people...marriage is something really sacred given by god for a MAN & a WOMEN....They choose to be gay and are free to be gay and they could live there life like that, dont try to think they could be like a regular man and a women....come on...i dont want my kids thinking thats normal...I have gay people in my family and i tell them the same...I am Catholic and i go by the bible..man there is alot of SIN already for it to be spread out even more.....I dont discriminate gays...let it be....but Marriage is and it only should be for a man and a women

You see, most people find it sad that the divorce rate is going up and up. But although it does seem depressing, and I wouldn't want to be divorced myself, this sign shows that our generation has, in fact, more freedom. You can go, like, "a hundred years ago there weren't any divorce cases", but in that time women didn't have any rights and were often forced into an unwanted marriage. OK, so many couples today break up; but why would you want to keep two people together whoreally can't stand each other? Even, or especially if there are children: it's better to grow up with one loving mom or one loving dad than with two fighting parents. To protect marriage? What do you mean - making men, women and kids unhappy just to have a nice pretty statistic? Look, marriage is totally protected in Afghanistan or where do I know, but this can't be done without harming the women. Why protect something that hurts people? I agree that some marriages shouldn't have happened, but why force people to stay married if they're really unhappy? In your video, furthermore, they keep saying divorce destroys marriage as we've always known it, that traditional marriage is a foundation of society etc. But because we've done a thing for like forever doesn't mean we have to go on doing it. Prohibiting divorce would mean making people afraid of getting married: no more shotgun marriages, but single moms. No "second chances" for a couple that just made a stupid mistake. No deal for a spouse turning homosexual but bound by law to another one. No restart for a woman with a violent husband. Making religion that present in life is wrong too; why tell atheist that it's God who is against divorce, and that the law just expresses His wishes? Nonsense! Banning divorce is a very, very stupid thing to do. You'll be trying to ban contraception next (hey, the Pope says it's wrong...).

certainly 1) This is clearly the voice of all people.

Should not waste more money or time. We need to fix the economic first.

Empirically of course, it is the case that gay individuals have all the potentials and short-comings as anyone not-gay. But as for this question specifically:

A key difference here, is that men shorter than their brides ALWAYS HAD the right to marry, but now that right is LOST.

From the perspective of modern LBGT issues, the legality of same-sex marriages in the U.S. have only become open to debate recently. YES voters to Prop 8 would say this is a "NEW" issue. That gay individuals are asking for "NEW" rights.

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A more parallel analogy (From the perspective of NEW vs. LOST rights) might be if fundamental Mormons wanted to have "marriage" include (and also legalize) the marriage of one person to more than one. Would you fight such a new law? It would come down to many core beliefs:

- Do you think or are convinced that polygamy is a sign of mental illness? Lack of morals? Bad upbringing? Genetic disorder? If what you know or believe leads you to answer YES to any of those questions, you are likely to object to giving NEW rights to (persons whom you believe to be) "mentally ill" or "misinformed" individuals, who may be better taken care of by their societies by prescribing them to mental health professionals than allowing them to live their lives the unhealthy way they want.

- If you fear or dislike individuals who engage in or support polygamy, do you also want your children to adopt the same views you yourself hold as valid? If you dislike "drug dealers" or "scientologists" and want to keep your children away from them any way you can, you may support measures to keep such ideas or persons away from children in ANY WAY you can, whether it be through school, the law, newspapers, billboards, music, etc.

Just these 2 questions alone can provide plenty of motivation for one side or the other:

If a person believes or is convinced that gay individuals are as normal and healthy as anyone not-gay, and that who they choose to share their life with and love is not only their right, but that they can affirm such a relationship in "marriage." And further, that children growing up in a society more tolerant of gay issues and gay culture is not harmful to those children, or contrary to your beliefs of what is "right" or "wrong", then you may have voted NO to Prop 8.

If on the other hand, a person believes or is convinced that gay persons are, by definition, "flawed" or "ill" in some way, and/or doesn't want their children growing up in a society tolerant of individuals that they themselves fear or dislike for religious, ethical, or even baseless reasons, they may have voted YES to Prop 8.

Leading to the following questions which are arguably IRRECONCILABLE -

1. Does growing up in a society more tolerant of gay individuals disservice a child in any way? For example, if you believe homosexuality can "develop" in a person, would such a society make it more liable to happen in your child? Would such a society increase the likelihood of drug use or divorce? If what you know and/or believe leads you to say yes, then you may have voted YES to Prop 8.

(This may be irreconcilable through only rhetoric since a yes/no answer draws from religious values, personal experience, regional cultures, statistics you have encountered etc.)

2. Should Democracy be suspended for the ethical considerations of certain groups of people? The High School at Little Rock, Arkansas was forced to accept black students, to integrate. Is such an action appropriate here?

Conversely, some fundamentalist Mormons believe polygamy is a valid form of marriage. Should a practice that many deem unacceptable or unhealthy be permitted so that certain individuals be granted the rights they call for?

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Much of it comes down to your perceptions and beliefs regarding polygamy (hypothetical) / homosexuality (the issue at hand). If a person believe that being "gay" is a "problem" in any way or for any reason, then it becomes reasonable to vote YES to Prop 8. If a person believes gay individuals are "normal" and "just like anyone else", then it becomes reasonable to vote NO to Prop 8.

Number three, dear. Definitely #3.

Except, it's purely a personal issue. No social or moral consequences could result.

answer 3.

Laws are supposed to be made to protect people (I use that term very loosely, so it could be businesses,, whatnot), or to help people in some way, this law does not do any such thing. So long as both parties are consenting adults, who are not already married to someone else, then the government should have no say in who anyone marries.

I guess 3. I'm not bringing my opinion of gays into the equation. I see it as discrimination towards one group and telling them they have to play by different rules and settle for less rights.

I would fight to repeal the law, as it is like the anti-miscegenation laws which were struck down in the US.

Definitely 3...I can not stand to see bullying of any kind!

Good point but now my brain hurstm... hurts.