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Mick asked in Social SciencePsychology · 2 years ago

What s wrong with love?

I never understood why people always say "love is love", "love wins", and "love is blind" then call it incest or a mental illness depending on your age, relation to that person, etc. If you understand the emotion "love", I m sure you would know it s not incest. Love is an emotion, uncontrolled and therefore normal. Preferences and fetishes are according to certain people as their personal feelings. Why are people called the scums of this earth for simply experiencing uncontrolled attraction and loving who they do?

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  • 2 years ago

    Love and lust are two different things. Love is nurturing and principled. It does not incline people to molest children. I don't know about fetishes, but genuine love just wants gentle body touch. Doesn't seem to require accessories. But I don't know about that.

  • Aslam
    Lv 4
    2 years ago

    Why is consensual incest love considered to be wrong?  I don't know.

    Lots of people will use the Bible as their moral compass and as the ultimate authority on "sin" (i.e., bad things)... but lots of stuff in the Bible is contradictory. Fanatics will loudly use whatever verses they agree with, and then quietly ignore the contradictory ones. 

    Yes, the Bible does say this: " ... do not have sexual relations with your sister... " Leviticus 18:9 

    OK, then what about this stuff???

     "... a woman who isn't a virgin on her wedding day shall be stoned to death..." Deuteronomy 22:20-21 

    "... whomever blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer... " Leviticus 24:16 

    "... if a man commits adultery with another man's wife; with the wife of his neighbor, then both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death... " Leviticus 20:10 

    "... you shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery... " Exodus 22:18 

    "... anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death for they are guilty of a capital offense... " Leviticus 20:9 

    "... you have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest; anyone who works on the Sabbath day must be put to death... " Exodus 35:2 

    "... your male and female slaves shall come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves... " Leviticus 25:44 

    "... a woman should learn in quietness and full submission; do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent... " 1 Timothy 2:11-12 

    "... if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death... " Leviticus 20:13 

    "... if a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she also defiles her father's holiness, then she must be burned to death... " Leviticus 21:9 

    "... do not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards.... " Leviticus 19:27 

    "... if you hear that in one of your cities... that certain worthless fellows are saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’... then you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to death, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and all of their animals, with the edge of the sword.... " Deuteronomy 13:12-15 

    Question: If even God manages to get His Word so screwed up, then how in the hell does He expect us to make total sense out of it??? 

    Answer: It's essentially impossible. 

    Personally, I don't see any problem with incest or homosexuality as long as it's consensual. 

    Years ago, my sister and I did enjoy doing lots of really fun sexual incest activities with each other in our teens and into our twenties. Am I sorry, or do I feel ashamed, or do I feel guilty? Absolutely not; I'd do it all again in a heartbeat. Why? Because I loved my sister and still do love her; she feels the same way. The fact that we were raised as semi-Muslims in the Middle East (we were never serious Muslims; we're not Muslim today) and we had virtually no contact with anyone of the opposite sex who was our age was no doubt a huge contributing factor.  Anyway, I've posted a couple of links (below in my comment) that you might find interesting.

  • Anon
    Lv 4
    2 years ago

    The idea that "love is love" and "love wins" and "love is blind" are all romanticism concepts. I personally think that romanticism concepts that dominate Hollywood movies are ridiculous. If you want a good video on that, checkout the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-iUHlVazKk&t=944s

    Romanticism is completely unrealistic and impractical, and these unrealistic dreams have destroyed many relationships and many lives.

    There's a difference between real love and lust. Lust is selfish, love is selfless. What most people describe today is actually lust. This is an important distinction. Saying we should honor love sounds a lot better than saying we should honor lust, yet the second thing was what we usually mean when we use this saying.

    For many years in our history the idea that you were supposed to love the person before you married them would have been considered ridiculous. This is only a relatively new phenomenon.

    True love is not "uncontrolled". In fact, it is very controlled. Most people have to work REALLY hard to truly love someone. If you are talking about lust; however, this is a very dangerous thing to say. We may not be able to control who we feel lust towards, but we certainly better control our actions around that feeling most of the time. Men from the Middle East regularly say that they say they should be allowed to rape women or children because their feelings of lust are "uncontrollable" or that they are "sexual emergencies."

    I know I am not responding to your point directly. To be fair, you didn't make your point directly, either. If your question is, for example, why anyone would oppose gay marriage that is a much more complex issue. People try to argue that gay marriage is just about two people who love each other wanting to express that love, and that conservatives against gay marriage are just trying to stop two people who love each other from expressing that love. However, my church came out in favor of civil partnerships that would give gay couples legal rights, but came out against gay marriage. Gay activists were furious. Many people in my church said that the reason they couldn't support gay marriage had nothing to do with gay couples wanting to express love for each other and wanting to commit to each other, and had everything to do with fighting for other rights. By calling it marriage instead of a civil partnership, gay couples would have a stronger legal basis for suing my church to force them to marry same-sex couples in our church as part of an equal access ruling even though homosexuality is considered a sin by my church in a category that is just behind murder in seriousness. They argued that the purpose of insisting on "marriage" was to force business people with religious convictions cater for gay weddings and provide other services that involved actually participating in something that they believed to the core of their being was a sinful event. They believed that gay couples would want equal access in adoption, and that they would force that on our church causing our church to stop being able to provide financial support to couples who wanted to adopt. You see, the purpose wasn't just about two people in a relationship. It was also about innocent children. It was about forcing normal people to go out of business if they wouldn't participate in an event that went strongly against their religious beliefs. It was about forcing churches to not be allowed to preach that homosexuality was a sin. It was about trying to shut churches down that were opposed to homosexuality. It was about being allowed to change the public school curriculum to brainwash children into believing that homosexuality wasn't sinful, even though previously even heterosexual marriage was almost never discussed in school because that was a subject that was supposed to be taught at home when the parents felt it was finally an age appropriate topic. All gay marriage supporters said that this was all just fear mongering and that gay rights activists would never go there. And you know what? I stupidly sided with the gay rights activists. After all, they promised if they got marriage they wouldn't try to do any of those other things.

    Today, my church has had to shut down its adoption program for fear of being sued by homosexual couples, meaning that many, many children who would have been adopted no longer have access to that resource. Many children who would have been adopted by a straight couple have been adopted by a gay couple. You may not think this is a bad thing, and it isn't obvious that it is, but it proves that the idea that gay marriage is just about two people IS A LIE. It is also about innocent children, and we can't just ignore that important part of the debate as if it doesn't exist or doesn't count. A cake maker has been dragged by an activist couple all the way to the Supreme Court to punish him for having religious beliefs that are "homophobic". Sure, he eventually won, but not after experiencing severe emotional and financial penalties. And others have gone out of business for their religious beliefs that gay marriage is a sin. Outside of this country, preachers have been fined and thrown into jail for preaching from the Bible because the Bible is homophobic. These are very real repercussions that have actually happened, and they are all things that just five years ago all gay rights activists SWORE they would never try to do. If it were 50 years I would say they had a point. They may even believe that they are morally justified in everything they do. But when all of this has happened over such a short period of time it has proven that they have LIED about their objectives and that it is not safe to make any compromises with them.

    The main objectives of gay rights activists, (which by the way is very different than actual gay couples), it to use any means necessary to completely destroy the lives of anyone who disagrees with them on any level in any way. If you knew someone's goal was to basically bankrupt you and destroy your life simply because you were different than them would you just take it lying down, would you wait to fight back till the very last second, or would you say, "I want to find a peaceful solution, but if it's war it's war and I am not going to just take this lying down"?

    Gay marriage is not just about two people who love each other who aren't bothering anyone else wanting to express their beautiful, natural love for each other. It is about two people wanting to express their lust for each other and activists who want to use their cause to shut down religion, freedom of religion, and free speech. It is about activists wanting to use children in a perverse political game and not being willing to even discuss if the children are POSSIBLY being hurt by that game. And most importantly it is about revenge. It is about using the government to destroy individual lives. I believe to a certain extent that it is also a desperate attempt by some to try to feel better about what they are doing. I believe that many on a deeper level know that the relationships are sinful, but they blame that uneasy feeling on the fact that society doesn't accept their behavior as natural. They somehow think if they can completely reverse society to preach that gay marriage is equal to traditional marriage, (and maybe someday even superior to traditional marriage), that that feeling of uneasiness will go away. But it will never go away because it is simply their soul recognizing that the behavior they are engaging in is sinful no matter what society says.

    That's not to say that the issue isn't complicated. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who is going through this. And while I believe it will ultimately lead to unhappiness, if it really was just about two people wanting to love each other and commit to each other I would actually support that. I would even support gay couples adopting unwanted children if no straight couples wanted the children, (which would be a rare case). If they let me honor my religious beliefs and aren't taking children who could have been adopted by a straight couple, I have no problem with gay couples committing to each other and having that legally protected. I still feel bad for them and don't believe it will lead to full happiness. But I also believe in a very loving God, and I don't think in many of those cases that God will actually punish those people anyway. I believe that many of these couples are genuine people who are doing the best they can with knowledge that they have.

    But gay rights activists don't really represent the gay community, and they are certainly not operating from a place of love. They are operating from a place of resentment and revenge and from a desire to control and destroy. It is a much more dangerous movement than it may seem.

  • Kelley
    Lv 5
    2 years ago

    The Bible often warns people of self control in regards to the various aspects of love. The limits that the Bible sets is for the ultimate good of that person. The Bible warns people not to marry a person who is closer in relation than a cousin. Science supports the Bible in this fact. To marry closer than a cousin can yield offspring with health issues. The Bible warns people to marry at the earliest age of 20 years old. Science supports the Bible in this fact as well. To marry before 20 years old can lead to health issues in pregnancy. Etc.

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  • 2 years ago

    I agree with your later explanation.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    Social mores and feelings run deep on the subject of love. The majority decides what's normal and what isn't.

  • Dong
    Lv 5
    2 years ago

    Incest is not good for the species as it creates stupider children often with strange disorders. Perhaps consequently, every society that has been okay with incest has not gotten out of the dark ages.

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