Why do some of you believe the Old Testament is null and void?

becasue the whole bible was written by people thousands of years ago and edited by kiings and queens ove rthe years

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This is an old argument, and I am frankly tired of Christians being ignorant of our own scriptures. Sorry if I sound testy, but this really is inexcusable if you go to church and study your Bible regularly.

The easiest way to put it is that the New Testament says in several places that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament. However, the New Testament incorporates by reference parts of the Old Testament (Such as the Ten Commandments; see Romans 13:8-10 for example). So the Old Testament is a guide to interpret the new Testament, but any commandment of Moses that is expressly set aside by Jesus (like the stoning of adulterers, for example (John 8:1-11)) is now void.

See also Mark 7:1-23; Acts 11:9-29 & 15:1-31; Galatians 3:15-25 & 5:13-26; Hebrews 8:1-13.

Naah! not to me. In fact, the book we call The New Testament is very much a part of the Old Testament because should you nullify the Old, you will miss the relevance of what was said in the New. The book of Revelation on the other hand, if you will really digest it to the fullest, you will find that that new supports the old. Finally, in the Book of Prophet Jeremiah the real New Testament could already have been printed in the hearts of some man living today because God said, (time will come that brothers will no longer learn from their brothers about ME because I dwell in each heart) P.S. read the book for HIS exact words. Jeremiah 31:33

It is because of Paul that many think the Law is no longer needed.

Romans 3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

2 Timothy 1:9:Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but

according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

So according to Paul you can have Grace is given us no matter what are our works, no matter if we follow the Law or not.

However, that is not what Christ taught.

Matthew 5:17

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

So Christ followed the Law and lived by it.

Matthew 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that

doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So to say Jesus is Lord etc is not going to cut it. Only by your works can one truely know if you have the Grace.

Matthew 7:20

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

And now a quote by Maitreya-ji from the Mission of Maitreya in a Satsang from 08.03.2002 which so wonderfully explains the topic:

Some people say, “Oh you do not need to follow Laws, you need Grace.” Grace is the Law. The moment you have The Grace, you follow the Ten Commandments with no thinking.

Did Christ have The Grace? Yes. Did he follow the Ten Commandments? Yes, because he had The Grace. They go hand-in-hand. The Grace and the Law are one. The Essence and the Law are one.

Grace would be nothing without law. Because if there was not law, then what purpose would there be for grace?

But the excuses for disregarding the law show a contempt for the law. And what judge shows grace to someone who has contempt for the law? The judge is sworn to uphold the law.

And if a "new" law confirms an old one, then it isn't a new law, is it? Isn't that just pointing to the old one?

There are many things that aren't mentioned in the NT, because it's people were quite familiar with Judaism, many things are just taken for granted. But even in the NT it mentions that the Sabbath remains.

Jesus fulfilled the law through his death and resurrection. Some say that the OT is null and void to make this point: That the Holy Spirit now convicts the world of sin, and we no longer need a priest to enter the Holy of Holies. The law brought people to Christ because it pointed out what they were doing wrong. Once we know we have sinned, or done wrong, we now know we need forgiveness through Jesus Christ. However, we just need tell people of the Lords death and resurrection, and the Holy Spirit does the rest. Go forth and preach the gospel; that Jesus died, rose, and now lives. He didn't say go argue with people, did He? ;)

And TroyS, we live in America, and we don't have to keep our beliefs to ourselves. We can express ourselves, whether we're dancers, singers, gay, straight, religious or atheist. Anything else is communism.

I don't believe in the new testament or the old testament. There are many other religions in the world. God gave us all a brain which many of us use to help us decide which religion we want to belong to and what we want to believe. This whole idea is called free will. I think you'll find a few chapters and verses on that in your Bible.

The Law first off is not null and void but the Law has changed. God doesn't change but the Law is not God.. remember that.

The Law is nessisary for us today so we can know what sin is, know what we deserve for doing what we do and can appreciate Mercy. God doesn't keep everything exactly the same, He allows changes in things though HE does not change. 5,000 years ago, people had to sacrifice an animal to cover their sins, God sent His Son and CHANGED that law, now we look to Jesus to cover our sins. God had told us not to eat certain things but after Jesus came, no longer are we judged by what we eat and drink but what is in our hearts.

Jesus came to uphold the hold law, but to provide a New Covenant that produces salvation for those chosen by God for glory. Paul was right. The Old Covenant was not efficient. Also, the Jews, whom had formerly been God's chosen people, were obstinate and disobedient to God's face. So God made salvation available not only to Jews, but also to Gentiles.

Old Testament says to stone an unruly son, not to eat meat except under certain conditions, and destroy groups of people. Also, it says slaves are allowed. I don't remember the books and verses, the point I am trying to make is that we don't do the same stuff anymore.

Most Christian Sects choose not to use the OT for refernce...they never say its null and void becuase saying that makes Judaism null and void. Of course most if not all Christian Sects are intolerant about the Jewish faith (anti-semetic) because of exactly what you're bringing up. So let's bury the hatchet and just leave this alone cause we really don't want to get into how the Jews killed Jesus (HISTORICALLY INACCURATE BUT THE CHRISTIAN FAITH BELIEVED THAT FOR SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS). PEACE!