Registration Papers & Petshop pups?

Ahem....obviously people will can & DO believe in the most astonishing BS. Gladly,eagerly....desperately. They fall...no,LEAP...for the most flagrant impossibilities & deny to their dying breath (or preferably someone else's) the plain old facts. Will overhear half of some nitwit's cousin's friend's hairdresser's plumber's drunken babble to the boob on the barstool next to them,understand only half of it & gleefully parrot the spew to all & sundry as gospel.

But...that example isn't "belief"-it's just abysmal & smug ignorance.

That's simple....ppl don't believe puppymills have dogs from legit well respected registries, because as a so unrespected and shameful business it makes better sense that all these dogs are mixed, stray, or just from byb. By the way bybs have dogs registered through both of those kennel clubs. Is is really an impossible thought to some that the dogs are uncared for, unhealthy, overbred....BUT they are legitimately purebred and registered?

There's so many ways a puppymill administrator and pet shop can acquire a registered dogs. They assume all dogs in puppymills and petshops are unpapered because we all know these businesses are crapy and only care about money. Shelters have purebred dogs that once upon a time had papers or could get papers. I've seen some shelters even add to the adoption profiles that they have the registration papers...by luck.

I wonder if these same people assume petshops and puppymills spring dogs out their a**....do they really think a person with bad intentions can't go to a breeder and get a pup?

ADD I'm glad you made that point as well Rayven...the dogs could be legitimately registered but that doesn't mean the papers haven't been falsified. Anyone that participates in running a mill is questionable as far as their integrity, so they could and do hang papers.

I had to do an article back in college and I actually interviewed several petshops on their form of registration. It's very rare for a pup to come with legit papering such as the AKC and UKC.

While I didn't get this as my answer, my hypothesis was that the puppymillers didn't have proper papering on the parents in order to register them with the Kennel Clubs or didn't have enough of a pedigree to prove that the dogs were pure.

From almost every place I went (6 shops in total), only 2 of them had puppies that came with KC registration papers. Most of their stock was APRI though.

From what I have heard (and seen) puppies from pet shops *do* come with papers. Of course I have many doubts that those papers are actually legit, seems that most puppies at stores come from Puppy Mills or BYBs. You know how easy it can be to fake papers? I'm pretty sure if someone really wanted to (just for more money), they could easily fake AKC and UKC papers.

However, I'm sure maybe sometimes (but very rarely), the papers CAN be legit. I would still not fully be convinced, however.

Ashley: ~Whoa! Telling someone to commit suicide over this? Damn! You didn't even read the fricken' question, did you?

Yes, they can come with papers from the AKC and UKC, and I did answer that person's question. The reason why I answered it as I did, was to just rattle their chains about buying from a pet shop, even though the deed is already done. Maybe it was wrong of me to answer as I did, but the person didn't actually ask a question to begin with AND maybe the dog was even a mutt. It was a new account anyway, and we all pretty much know how that goes. So, yes they can if both of the parents are on FULL AKC registration.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but often the papers are forged, too, so they are generally worthless.

An unscrupulous puppy mill owner may have some AKC dogs on site; he contacts AKC re a mating (that may or may not have occurred) and reports the number of pups (he often lies and doubles the number). AKC, which generally works on an honor system, sends him puppy registrations for the # of pups he reported. He can pass those papers on with any pup he has, regardless of its ancestry.

The shop may not be part of the fraud; they may not know... but that means they can't tip you off, either; they believe the "breeder" and his reports.

This is why you only buy puppies from reputable breeders, not pet shops.

As I mentioned in my earlier answer in my edit, here...it's different. Pet stores here will NOT sell pedigree or papered pups, not even false ones. Mainly for the fact that the idea of "breeding" here is not as clued in as the the US (I'm in Australia) and most people do NOT have registered, ANKC dogs that they breed and sell to pet stores. The registered dogs that are here, are down-low and wouldn't sell to a pet store if they were living out of a shack, they'd still try to be reputable. Of course, you have your crappy registered breeders who aren't reputable, but the knowledge to puppy buyers don't really care as long as they can show off a papered dog to all their friends.

It's a sad case here, and a LOT of what I've learned about BYBs, puppymills and reputable breeders has NOT been local to me or national, it's been from the US and Canada because no one talks about it here, and the majority don't care. I had to correct my own vet about the situation once...I was completely floored that they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.

So in conclusion, I just assumed (my mistake of course) that pet stores in the states also didn't sell pedigree pups or puppies with papers of any kind.

Edit: Uh, Ashley... Rayven here is a regular member, she is NOT wanting to breed or sell puppies. Read her question PROPERLY before you attack something you obviously do not understand. If you did, your answer would not have even be needed in such a way that you put it. Rayven is not wanting to breed, she was asking a question in regards to another few questions and answers in this section about someone ELSE who bought a dog from a pet store. As I said, read the question properly and then get off your needless soap box. You're caving it in.

I've never seen a pet-shop pup registered with a kennel club, in my area ( QLD, Australia ) My Local pet-shop registers the pups with the council, I think, but that's all. They could be registered, but it probably just means the pet-shop had to sell a Kidney to pay for the pups. I don't think many people have pups registered with the kennel club ( I only just found out we had the ANCK- Australian National Kennel Council ). Like someone else said - Yorkies - Dogs, not Dolls! - they could always just be fake. I don't buy from pet-shops anyway, so it doesn't effect me.

Not surprising, your friends pup. You suddenly start to think that maybe ( juuuuust Maybe! ) Pet-shops can be good, then you do a little research...

EDIT: I'm guessing 'Ashley' deleted their answer, because I have no idea what's going on! LOL!

Who cares if they are registered or not. Nobody should buy them and support the puppy mills. I know you are one of the regulars on here and I am probably preaching to the choir but I have a small dog rescue and am a strong advocate against puppy mills/pet stores.

Of course they come with registration papers. However, As pet shop pups come from puppy mills and back yard breeders I would never buy from them. nor would I trust the papers. The papers can be, and sometimes are, fake. Reputable breeders do not sell through pet shops. I can not stress that enough. Reputable breeders do not, NOT, sell through pet shops.

I have NO idea why people would think that pet store pups don't come with AKC papers. There are lots of cr@p backyard breeders out there who register with AKC. AKC isn't a policing agency.